witesoxfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 09:25 AM) I think we've seen the last of Horacio Ramirez. He's been cut and doubtful he'll be back. His 7.62 ERA and being left off the postseason roster were just as good of guesses too, but being cut kind of does it. Generally, a 7.62 ERA isn't acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 9, 2008 -> 01:29 AM) What do the Phils really have to offer though. I don't think they have enough to get the Sox to move Dye. Or at least they won't be willing to give up what it takes, nor do I believe they are good partners. I haven't really looked at what the Phils have for the sox or who they may be willing to part with. Yet in trying to repeat, and giving their team the best chance to win, they may be willing to give the best deal for JD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) what, realistically would the phillies have that would make our team better by giving them jermaine? i'm hearing the names Geoff Jenkins, JA Haap, Greg Golson pop up i want nothing to do with any of those 3 players for a guy of Jermaine's caliber Edited November 10, 2008 by joesaiditstrue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 03:42 PM) what, realistically would the phillies have that would make our team better by giving them jermaine? i'm hearing the names Geoff Jenkins, JA Haap, Greg Golson pop up i want nothing to do with any of those 3 players for a guy of Jermaine's caliber Jenkins has no value, Happ is merely a solid pitching prospect, and Golson is uber talented but more of a throw-in than an actual piece, though I didn't see how he performed this season. I strongly doubt they would even considering moving Victorino in a deal for JD, as the Sox would probably win the trade straight up without Philly throwing anyone else in (not that you mentioned it, just that it's been brought up). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco72 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 05:09 PM) Jenkins has no value, Happ is merely a solid pitching prospect, and Golson is uber talented but more of a throw-in than an actual piece, though I didn't see how he performed this season. I strongly doubt they would even considering moving Victorino in a deal for JD, as the Sox would probably win the trade straight up without Philly throwing anyone else in (not that you mentioned it, just that it's been brought up). A World Series Champ would never trade its popular CFer for some extra power.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (Disco72 @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 04:38 PM) A World Series Champ would never trade its popular CFer for some extra power.... It's funny and ironic, but there's a little reasoning beyond that, mainly due to Victorino coming off a much better season than Rowand did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco72 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 10, 2008 -> 05:54 PM) It's funny and ironic, but there's a little reasoning beyond that, mainly due to Victorino coming off a much better season than Rowand did. Yeah, I know. I think it is highly unlikely the Sox would get Victorino, but like you said, I see the irony/humor in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 11, 2008 Author Share Posted November 11, 2008 do you guys think with the phils not getting Matt Holiday they'll want dye even more and possibly give up victorino?? i mean it makes since with burrell one and holliday gone they can use he bat after howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 01:13 AM) do you guys think with the phils not getting Matt Holiday they'll want dye even more and possibly give up victorino?? i mean it makes since with burrell one and holliday gone they can use he bat after howard. Why would they give up Victorino? For Dye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 (edited) They wouldn't. Unless they got another piece in return...and no, not D. Wise or Brian Anderson to replace Burrell. It would have to be something like Swisher and Dye for Victorino and an upper-tier/major league ready prospect. Edited November 11, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 11, 2008 -> 01:13 AM) do you guys think with the phils not getting Matt Holiday they'll want dye even more and possibly give up victorino?? i mean it makes since with burrell one and holliday gone they can use he bat after howard. Victorino is probably more valuable than Dye himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 12, 2008 Share Posted November 12, 2008 The name Victorino is just cool...fits in with Chicago or Philly perfectly. Almost as cool as Lance Broadway, if he were a stud prospect coming up with the Yankees or Mets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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