Mets & White Sox Have Been Talking...

[3E8]

The difference is Beltran walks ninety times a year, plays a prime position, is great defensively, and can swipe 20+ bags at a great success rate. Dye doesn't do any of those things. Jenks+Vazquez for Beltran would be a steal, IMO. Carlos Beltran is one of the best players in baseball. I'd be shocked if these rumors have any substance, though. I'm sure Omaya would want Danks/Floyd for Beltran.

The only facet of the game Dye is close to Beltran is his power, and the home stadium dimensions of the two players is a high contrast

[beck72]

If the sox are thinking about trading Jenks [i'm not sure about the Beltran deal], I'd bet they like what they've seen in Poreda out of the bullpen. No one on the sox roster is near Jenks style caliber as a closer.

[greg775]

You don't trade Jenks for a package of prospects. The rumors from other sites is that it would be Vazquez and Jenks for Beltran. However, this seems like the longest of longshots.

 

I would hope we could get more than Beltran. Beltran is damn good but Bobby is VERY valuable.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Guys Beltran isn't going anywhere. Hate to break it to all of you.

 

The Mets aren't trading their best outfielder unless they're getting one in return. Right now their outfield is Beltran, Church (who's been plagued with concussions all last season.), and either Danny Murphy who isn't fleet of foot, or Nick Evans who is a career utility player.

 

I hate to break it to all of you, but if we trade with the Mets I can see Aaron Heilman coming this way. He resides in Chicago and needs a change of scenery. The Mets are sick of him, the fans are sick of him, and I'm pretty sure he's sick of New York.

 

If they're asking for Jenks, the Sox better ask for Wilmer Flores. He'll only be 18 years old...but trust me, he's the next Miguel Cabrera. The only question is whether or not he'd be available to the Sox, I know he was signed last year, and I don't know if there are any regulations regarding how long a player must be signed before being traded in the minors.

Flores has gotten a lot of hype but so far it has definitely been warranted. I looked it up and the Mets signed the kid for $700K in 2007 as a 16-year-old SS out of Latin America. The Sox signed Juan "Man-Man" Steroideverio for $600K that same year as a "16-year-old" SS out of Latin America. The type of season Flores had compared to the garbage season Silverio had just underscores the damage that s***head assclown Wilder did to our system and consequently our need to continue rebuilding our farm system. Flores would be a nice step in that direction.

 

As is usual with highly touted prospects, fans don't want to see these guys traded when they have them in their systems. I'm sure if you asked your average Mets fan if he'd deal Flores for Jenks the Mets fan would say "no way," but this is the type of return Jenks is worth. If the Sox can get Flores and another player, maybe a mid-rotation prospect like Jon Niese or if that is too much a bullpen project like Sanchez or Heilman, this would be the type of deal the Sox would have to seriously look into.

 

There has been talk of the Mets being interested in both Jenks and Vazquez. Truth be told, I would not at all mind a Javy + Jenks deal if we can get both Fernando Martinez and Wilmer Flores along with a pitching prospect, but I just don't see how that could all work out unless the Sox took a bad contract in the process. The only bad contract the Mets have that doesn't expire after '09 is Castillo, and $6M through 2011 is waaay too much for a guy with 2 major surgeries in the span of a year. Normally it would be tempting to pick up the bad contract and eat it if it means a much better prospect, but if the Sox thought about doing that, I'd obviously much rather see them take that $18M over the next three years and invest it in the draft and international signings.

[beck72]

Bobby's going to make around $3.5M in 2009, maybe double that in 2010 and 8 figures in 2011 as a 30 year old. This is assuming of course that he stays healthy and productive. The "young and cheap" argument can only work for so long. This is about trading a guy a year too early rather than a year too late, if Bobby suffers a serious injury or falls flat on his face some time in the next 2 years his trade value will plummet to zero but he'll still cost a pretty penny to retain in arbitration.

I think that's the key. If the sox could get maximum value for Bobby now, if they think he might break down-provided the sox can get the bullpen held together by Poreda and Contreras [mid year] and another solid bullpen addition-why not move him is it helps the sox in the short and long term.

[Lemon_44]

Did anyone watch the Mets bullpen blow save after save after Wagner went down? Jenks probably has more value to them than any other team in MLB. If he gets traded it will be in a package for either Reyes(my guess), Beltran(maybe), or Wright(doubtful). I remember Steve Phillips saying KW's first question to him always was,what's it going to take to get Reyes.

 

The Sox could make the transition to a speed team rather quickly with just a few moves. Just because it's been mentioned alot, let's say the Sox move Konerko for Figgins. Then trade Broadway for Tavares after acquiring Reyes.They would field a linup that looks like:

 

Reyes-SS

Figgins-3B

Qentin-LF

Dye-RF

Thome-DH

Ramirez-2B

Swisher-1B

AJ-C

Tavares-CF

Edited November 8, 2008 by Lemon_44

[Princess Dye]

If you can get someone to overpay for Jenks right now, you do it.

 

Even the biggest Jenks supporter has to admit that the specific skill that made him elite is leaving him, and that the risk of losing that with no compensation is big.

 

People say keeping him is the conservative move, but if you have a chance to add serious clumps of talent for him...then really that route is the risk.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, Thornton was actually the consistent strikeout guy last year of that pen.

Edited November 8, 2008 by Princess Dye

[Dick Allen]

Did anyone watch the Mets bullpen blow save after save after Wagner went down? Jenks probably has more value to them than any other team in MLB. If he gets traded it will be in a package for either Reyes(my guess), Beltran(maybe), or Wright(doubtful). I remember Steve Phillips saying KW's first question to him always was,what's it going to take to get Reyes.

 

The Sox could make the transition to a speed team rather quickly with just a few moves. Just because it's been mentioned alot, let's say the Sox move Konerko for Figgins. Then trade Broadway for Tavares after acquiring Reyes.They would field a linup that looks like:

 

Reyes-SS

Figgins-3B

Qentin-LF

Dye-RF

Thome-DH

Ramirez-2B

Swisher-1B

AJ-C

Tavares-CF

 

There is absolutely no way Reyes comes to the Sox in a deal for Jenks. NO WAY. If it took Reyes to get Jenks, they would settle for one of the FA pitchers and overpay them immensely.

Edited November 8, 2008 by Dick Allen

[BearSox]

I have virtually no problem with trading Jenks, as long as it is for maximum value. I for one believe that Jenks is going to regress, and that a serious injury is possibly in the not to distant future for him. I don't know what we could get from the Mets though. I'd like Beltran, but how realistic is that?

Edited November 8, 2008 by BearSox

[GreatScott82]

KW is in love with Reyes. .297, 16 HR, and 56 SBs. Yep that would solve our leadoff hitter hole for sure. I would even consider trading Jenks and Vazquez in a mega deal for Reyes and maybe Murphy. But then again im just dreaming out loud here. Im not sayin im just sayin. Having Reyes ontop of our lineup for many years is druel worthy!

[Lemon_44]

There is absolutely no way Reyes comes to the Sox in a deal for Jenks. NO WAY. If it took Reyes to get Jenks, they would settle for one of the FA pitchers and overpay them immensely.

You know this how? I didn't say Jenks for Reyes straight up. I'm willing to say that any deal that brings us Reyes would include Jenks.

[Dick Allen]

You know this how? I didn't say Jenks for Reyes straight up. I'm willing to say that any deal that brings us Reyes would include Jenks.

Because 25 year old SS that bring to the table what Reyes brings to the table do not get traded, especially from teams with an almost unlimited budget. Why would the Mets trade him for Jenks a guy if they have him 2 years from now will be making money that K-Rod and Fuentes are asking for if he's still successful, and create a huge hole at SS? They could just sign the FA and have Reyes play SS. How many SS do as many things as this guy? They would be crazy to trade him and won't unless maybe KW wants to add Ramirez and Danks with Jenks. Then I suppose its possible. This isn't X-Box. There is absolutely no reason for Minaya to even consider trading Reyes.

Edited November 8, 2008 by Dick Allen

[Dick Allen]

I have virtually no problem with trading Jenks, as long as it is for maximum value. I for one believe that Jenks is going to regress, and that a serious injury is possibly in the not to distant future for him. I don't know what we could get from the Mets though. I'd like Beltran, but how realistic is that?

Its a lot more realistic than Reyes. But I doubt its very realistic.

[Wanne]

If the Sox do trade Bobby and get a pretty good return for him (which is the only way I'd do it)...I'd make a serious run at Brandon Lyon. He needs a change of scerery from AZ.

[elrockinMT]

You don't trade Jenks for a package of prospects. The rumors from other sites is that it would be Vazquez and Jenks for Beltran. However, this seems like the longest of longshots.

 

 

I don't understand the rationale at all in suggesting let alone discussing this type of trade. Maybe it was brought up-by the Mets and not the Sox

[greg775]

If they didn't acquire anyone, I think it would be Dotel. Don't laugh. For the majority of his outings in 2008 he was unhittable.

 

OM god. I will not laugh but I will scream. Dotel?? Unhittable? Yes Dotel should be used one inning max, but he will be one of the worst closers in the league. He was quite hittable.

[Dick Allen]

OM god. I will not laugh but I will scream. Dotel?? Unhittable? Yes Dotel should be used one inning max, but he will be one of the worst closers in the league. He was quite hittable.

Jenks had a BAA of .230 averaging 5.5 k per 9 innings

Dotel had a BAA of .208 averaging 12.3 k per 9 innings.

 

He was far from quite hittable most of the time.

[lostfan]

Jenks had a BAA of .230 averaging 5.5 k per 9 innings

Dotel had a BAA of .208 averaging 12.3 k per 9 innings.

 

He was far from quite hittable most of the time.

You're right, his numbers are skewed by some of his Rex Grossman-like megafail outings.

[Chisoxfn]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...--+Red+Sox+news

I'd make a deal for Jose Reyes. I doubt the Mets would but I'd be happy to throw out the type of deal that got the Sox some upper echelon talent, especially if they feel Thornton could step in as a closer (obviously if you make this move you'd have to than shore up the pen). But the Mets have some intriguing prospects and young major leaguers that would interest me and I have no problem moving a guy like Jenks when his value is at its max.

[Chisoxfn]

Beltran has a full NTC and his agent is Boras. I wouldn't doubt the Sox would need to extend his deal to waive his NTC.

Weren't the Sox relatively interested in Beltran when he was initially a FA. On a sidenote, I would make a Jenks/Javy for Beltran deal. He fills a major need. The Sox would than obviously have some other moves to make but they would have enough chips to fill out the rest of the team and hopefully add another reliever/starter.

[Steve9347]

I think trading Bobby for a solid return would be the smartest thing this organization could ever do.

[southsideirish71]

I am one of Bobby's biggest fans, but if you could possibly move him and Vaz for Beltran you do it. You sign that cuban 3rd baseman and we are set for a while for our core.

[Lemon_44]

Because 25 year old SS that bring to the table what Reyes brings to the table do not get traded, especially from teams with an almost unlimited budget. Why would the Mets trade him for Jenks a guy if they have him 2 years from now will be making money that K-Rod and Fuentes are asking for if he's still successful, and create a huge hole at SS? They could just sign the FA and have Reyes play SS. How many SS do as many things as this guy? They would be crazy to trade him and won't unless maybe KW wants to add Ramirez and Danks with Jenks. Then I suppose its possible. This isn't X-Box. There is absolutely no reason for Minaya to even consider trading Reyes.

Ozzie Smith and Garry Templeton were traded . Hanley Ramirez was traded. Renteria was pretty highly thought of when Florida traded him. Miguel Cabrera, just last year. was thought of as much,if not more than, Reyes. I know none of those guys were on a team with the Mets revenue but i'm just saying,it's not like great players never get moved. I agree,Reyes probably won't be on the Sox, but it's not an impossiblity. Especially with a team with the picthing mess the Mets are. YOu can't tell me the Mets wouldn't even consider a package of Jenks, Danks, Javy for Reyes.

[BearSox]

I think we'd need something in addition to Beltran if we are giving up both Jenks and Vazquez.

[Baines3]

KW would have to be crazy to trade Bobby Jenks.