Williams Shopping Jermaine

[Steve9347]

He'd be a nice fit, but I wouldn't trade Dye straight up for Rasmus.

Whatever you are on, I will have some.

[sti3]

Which is exactly why the Sox will work JD into a platoon at DH with Thome if the Sox keep Dye and some other pieces fall into place.

LOL. 1) The Sox almost never do platoons and 2) That would be the most insanely expensive DH ever.

 

[Kalapse]

Whoa. I just read a rumor that St Louis was interested in Dye and Javy and have been dangling Colby Rasmus. He would be a perfect fit for us. He's a CF'er, lead off hitter, has speed.

By "dangling" do you mean "Mark Gonzales just threw his name out there because he knows nothing of the Cardinals Organization"? The Cardinals were unwilling to even talk about moving Rasmus just 4 months ago when better players were being offered up for him, they're not going to relinquish him now for 1-2 years of Dye and his 8 figure salary, Rasmus is far too valuable to that organization.

[Chisoxfn]

Whatever you are on, I will have some.

We have Dye probably under control for 2 more seasons and he's been one of the most productive outfielders in baseball since putting on a White Sox uniform. Rasmus is a toolsy prospect that is a stage or two more advanced than Jordan Danks. Danks is actually a better athlete and while there is a ton of hype over Ramsus I think people should take a look at his stats cause they aren't exactly dominant.

 

I'm not saying he doesn't have the tools, I'm just saying that he isn't a sure fire prospect (nor is Jordan Danks) where as Dye is a borderline all star year in year out. That has value and that value is more than Rasmus on his own.

 

Say the Dodgers lose out on Ramirez, I'd much rather put together a package for Kemp. Kemp is a far better prospect than Rasmus and has had a good deal of success at the major league level already and has fallen out of love a bit in LA.

 

I'd be thrilled to get Rasmus because of the tools he brings but again, I'm not doing it for Dye straight up (albeit I should factor in that the Sox would be able to do something awful nice with that 12M in cash).

[Chisoxfn]

By "dangling" do you mean "Mark Gonzales just threw his name out there because he knows nothing of the Cardinals Organization"? The Cardinals were unwilling to even talk about moving Rasmus just 4 months ago when better players were being offered up for him, they're not going to relinquish him now for 1-2 years of Dye and his 8 figure salary, Rasmus is far too valuable to that organization.

Rasmus is far too hyped by that org, but you are right in stating that they will never give him up or it would take a lot more than his true value to get him.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

LOL. 1) The Sox almost never do platoons and 2) That would be the most insanely expensive DH ever.

Since there are way more right handed pitchers than lefties , Thome would still get the majority of AB's at DH. Asking Dye to DH once in a while against lefties isn't a bad thing considering Thome's struggles against them. So by platoon I mean Thome and Dye, because of age, getting more rest and getting more quality AB's from the DH position and otherwise Dye will play the OF. I think that's very reasonable and not laughable.

[Balta1701]

Since there are way more right handed pitchers than lefties , Thome would still get the majority of AB's at DH. Asking Dye to DH once in a while against lefties isn't a bad thing considering Thome's struggles against them. So by platoon I mean Thome and Dye, because of age, getting more rest and getting more quality AB's from the DH position and otherwise Dye will play the OF. I think that's very reasonable and not laughable.

But you know what? There's been plenty of reason to do exactly that over the last 2 seasons, but Ozzie just refuses to do it until someone is actually injured.

[Dick Allen]

Rasmus is far too hyped by that org, but you are right in stating that they will never give him up or it would take a lot more than his true value to get him.

If the White Sox had a 20 year old who put up the numbers he did in AA in 2007 he would be incredibly hyped. Just reading this board, one would probably be shocked if Poreda isn't a HOFer. Rasmus was hurt a lot in 2008, but this guy is quite a player. I don't think STL has had any thought of trading him, but if Dye and Javy get the job done, it may be worth it to get him and sign some free agents.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Dick Allen

[RockRaines]

If the White Sox had a 20 year old who put up the numbers he did in AA in 2007 he would be incredibly hyped. Just reading this board, one would probably be shocked if Poreda isn't a HOFer. Rasmus was hurt a lot in 2008, but this guy is quite a player. I don't think STL has had any thought of trading him, but if Dye and Javy get the job done, it may be worth it to get him and sign some free agents.

I would trade both of them for him and a pen prospect to be quite honest. He would be a perfect fit for us considering I think Danks will be a corner guy when he comes up and Rasmus is a plus fielder with a plus plus arm in CF.

[Steve9347]

I would trade both of them for him and a pen prospect to be quite honest. He would be a perfect fit for us considering I think Danks will be a corner guy when he comes up and Rasmus is a plus fielder with a plus plus arm in CF.

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[Chisoxfn]

I would trade both of them for him and a pen prospect to be quite honest. He would be a perfect fit for us considering I think Danks will be a corner guy when he comes up and Rasmus is a plus fielder with a plus plus arm in CF.

I disagree with you. Danks has better defensive tools, whether your talking about CF or the Corner outfield spots.

[RockRaines]

I disagree with you. Danks has better defensive tools, whether your talking about CF or the Corner outfield spots.

To be honest, I havent seen enough of either of them to formulate an educated opinion, I'm going mostly on what I've read. It would be super sweet if Danks would be our CF'er with plus defensively ability.

[lostfan]

Isn't Danks supposed to be like CF Jesus ala Brian Anderson?

[Balta1701]

Isn't Danks supposed to be like CF Jesus ala Brian Anderson?

Haven't seen him play at all of course, but he's supposed to have good speed, and everyone on here has said he is supposed to play some solid D. But ya know, it's a message board.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

But you know what? There's been plenty of reason to do exactly that over the last 2 seasons, but Ozzie just refuses to do it until someone is actually injured.

The 3rd year's the charm ?

[bighurt4life]

The cardinals reportedly weren't willing to include Rasmus in a trade for Peavy. If that's true then there's no f-ing way they'd move him in a deal for JD and JV

[Leonard Zelig]

The cardinals reportedly weren't willing to include Rasmus in a trade for Peavy. If that's true then there's no f-ing way they'd move him in a deal for JD and JV

 

Is that really the case? I doubt the Cardinals would want to pay Peavy's salary.

[Wanne]

I would trade both of them for him and a pen prospect to be quite honest. He would be a perfect fit for us considering I think Danks will be a corner guy when he comes up and Rasmus is a plus fielder with a plus plus arm in CF.

 

I disagree. I completely think Danks is a CF from what I've seen of him. And mind you...I'm basing this off of what I've seen...but he just looks SOOO much more comfortable in center than in the corners for some reason. I know this sounds dumb...but it almost looks like he feels "confined" in the corners. GREAT speed. Good arm. I honestly can't see him playing anywhere other than center unless it's an absolute stud young Griffey replacing him. To be honest...I know nothing about Rasmus.

[caulfield12]

I don't think the odds are very high of getting Rasmus at all (0.005% chance).

 

Ankiel and Ludwick are the ones being shopped...

[beck72]

Murphy could play anywhere from 2B/3B/LF/RF IMHO, depending on how he handles those infield positions defensively, and what the Sox do in other areas.

 

He's exactly the type of young hitter I think KW should be targeting though. One that can hit around .300, good strike zone judgement, and enough pop to probably hit around 20-25HR's in his prime (especially at the Cell).

 

Sanchez really tailed off in the 2nd half of last season IIRC. I'd still be interested possibly in him though, but I'd want a stud prospect from the Giants if I was going to give up Dye.

I think the Mets keep Murphy for LF in 09 and maybe 1b for 2010 when Delgado walks. they don't have a lot of young position players coming up. Even though they'll probably target Orlando Hudson for 2b, the Mets have to get free agents to fill their holes. That's why it makes sense for the Mets to try and trade Beltran. the sox could make a decent offer that fills the mets holes at 3 spots [sP, closer and RF], while only leaving 1 hole in CF. If the mets get Dye, then his bat replaces Beltran's. The sox then have 3 years of an All star, 5 tool CFer. Win-win for both teams.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

I don't think the odds are very high of getting Rasmus at all (0.005% chance).

 

Ankiel and Ludwick are the ones being shopped...

St. Louis doesn't sound like a fit. I don't want either of those two guys. Kenny should be on the phone with TB, Texas, LAA (if they fail to sign Tex), the Dodgers who always like to make stupid moves for veterans because they hate their prospects, Washington possibly, Atlanta, etc.

Edited November 15, 2008 by Kenny Hates Prospects

[shipps]

I disagree. I completely think Danks is a CF from what I've seen of him. And mind you...I'm basing this off of what I've seen...but he just looks SOOO much more comfortable in center than in the corners for some reason. I know this sounds dumb...but it almost looks like he feels "confined" in the corners. GREAT speed. Good arm. I honestly can't see him playing anywhere other than center unless it's an absolute stud young Griffey replacing him. To be honest...I know nothing about Rasmus.

 

Speaking of Griffey,he says it was easier to play CF than the corners.And that is something I always thought was the opposite but Iam buying into that now.You can get alot better read and alot quicker read on the ball.You dont have to contend with the funny little nooks and crannys that are down the lines.And you can see the pitch and location of where the hitter got to it more clearly,you pretty much get a far greater overall view of the play on the field.

[Dick Allen]

Speaking of Griffey,he says it was easier to play CF than the corners.And that is something I always thought was the opposite but Iam buying into that now.You can get alot better read and alot quicker read on the ball.You dont have to contend with the funny little nooks and crannys that are down the lines.And you can see the pitch and location of where the hitter got to it more clearly,you pretty much get a far greater overall view of the play on the field.

I think if he spent the majority of his career as a corner OF he would feel differently. A guy who is injured as often as he is and has the range he has now should not be in CF. The angle the ball comes to you is a little different, but I've heard KW talk about it and make it seem like its something huge, but these guys can pick it up in a very short time. He may think its easier to play CF but his pitching staff finds it harder to be successful when he's out there. The batting average for ball in play which has been used to describe how unlucky Swisher was this year was something like 75-100 points higher when Griffey played CF for the Reds his last season he played the position for them compared to what it was when someone else was playing CF. A bad defensive CF hurts your team a lot more in the long run than a bad defensive RF or LF.

[shipps]

I think if he spent the majority of his career as a corner OF he would feel differently. A guy who is injured as often as he is and has the range he has now should not be in CF. The angle the ball comes to you is a little different, but I've heard KW talk about it and make it seem like its something huge, but these guys can pick it up in a very short time. He may think its easier to play CF but his pitching staff finds it harder to be successful when he's out there. The batting average for ball in play which has been used to describe how unlucky Swisher was this year was something like 75-100 points higher when Griffey played CF for the Reds his last season he played the position for them compared to what it was when someone else was playing CF. A bad defensive CF hurts your team a lot more in the long run than a bad defensive RF or LF.

 

I agree but Iam speaking in terms of the idea that Danks would have an easier time playing in CF because its an easier position.Not to mention he seems to have the speed and ability to cover alot of ground out there.

[Chisoxfn]

If the Sox trade Dye, I would be a major proponent of signing Bobby Abreu to a 2 year deal. Abreu has a nice left handed stroke and his numbers were partially aided by the short porch in Yankee stadium, but he'll get on base a lot and still has some speed (22 stolen bases). I also recall him having a good relationship with Ozzie Guillen and Ken Williams has often been linked to him.

 

I also have absolutely zero idea what he's looking for in terms of a contract, but I'd give him good money.