Swish Traded to the Yankees

[Balta1701]

Konerko was towards the bottom as well.

Out of Konerko and Swisher though...1 guy was healthy most of the year. 1 wasn't.

[ThunderBolt]

I'll update this when i hear anything interesting.

From the Conference call

KW likens Marquez to Garland

Sees Betemit as utility/insurance to Josh Fields

Sees Nunez in the bullpen

Attributes Nick’s struggles to being unlucky, He refers to babip. Says that Swish changed his mechanics (Walker?)leading to a mental breakdown.

Uribe is gone.

Crede is gone.

KW doesn't want background noise on his conference call Biatch!

Edited November 14, 2008 by Thunderbolt

[justBLAZE]

I'll update this when i hear anything interesting.

From the Conference call

KW likens Marquez to Garland

Sees Betemit as utility/insurance to Josh Fields

Sees Nunez in the bullpen

 

Can Betemit play 1B when Paulie needs a day off?

[ThunderBolt]

Can Betemit play 1B when Paulie needs a day off?

Yes, he often spelled Giambi in New York. He can play every position, but C, P and CF

[justBLAZE]

From listening to the conference call it seems that Uribe is done with the organization.

 

When asked if the veteran core Thome, Konerko, Dye will be back next year, Kenny said he's not committing himself to anything.

Edited November 14, 2008 by tommy

[Dick Allen]

Out of players with at least 250 PA's, Swisher outslugged only Michael Bourn on the road. Quentin led the AL, but was 8th in the MLB.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/battin...&qual=false

The Swisher apologists don't care. They blame the White Sox for his struggles. Why did the play him in CF that's what screwed him up some say? Well, in 2007 he played more games in CF than any other position.

[Dick Allen]

Swisher cannot be the Yankees everyday firstbaseman. If he really is and I was one of the people who bought the 850,000 suites or the 2500 a game seats, I'd tell Hank and Hal they have some explaining to do.

[Felix]

The Swisher apologists don't care. They blame the White Sox for his struggles. Why did the play him in CF that's what screwed him up some say? Well, in 2007 he played more games in CF than any other position.

Or they'll blame the abnormally low .249 BABIP he had last year which still resulted in a .743 OPS. That's okay though, keep thinking what you want.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Felix

[Balta1701]

Swisher cannot be the Yankees everyday firstbaseman. If he really is and I was one of the people who bought the 850,000 suites or the 2500 a game seats, I'd tell Hank and Hal they have some explaining to do.

Don't worry...the Yankees have not yet begun to spend. They are lopping what, $90 million off their payroll this year already, let alone the new ballpark appearing?

 

They will fill each and every one of their needs. Swisher may well be their everyday 1b, but he may also wind up in the same role he had with the Sox if the Yanks sign Tex. Or he may be their everyday 1b if the Yankees sign Manny. And so on.

[Dick Allen]

Or they'll blame the abnormally low .249 BABIP he had last year which still resulted in a .743 OPS. That's okay though, keep thinking what you want.

I love the unlucky argument. The guy struck out how many times? So unlucky. I watched most of the games. I didn't find anything unusual about his luck. Guys that aren't good hitters have low BABIP.

[Flash Tizzle]

I've never liked Swisher, anyways. His clubhouse antics coupled with limited offensive production made him irrelevant in my mind. I know in the chat we collectively believed he was off some performance enhancing drug from last season to this one. And yes, I know there was an article posted several weeks ago suggesting Swisher was ridiculously unlucky when his BABIP, among other statistics which escape me, were taken into consideration. Too bad we couldn't sell the Yankees on this.

 

For us to trade him now, for basically nothing of value, really says alot. I'm sure his attitude was one issue, as others have discussed in this thread. But when you consider his meager salary over the duration of the contract, and the looming FA of our slow footed trio of Konerko/Thome/Dye, I'm surprised we couldn't give Swisher another season.

 

There's no question this package is terrible, though. I'd probably be more upset if I didn't dislike Swisher so much.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Flash Tizzle

[ThunderBolt]

I love the unlucky argument. The guy struck out how many times? So unlucky. I watched most of the games. I didn't find anything unusual about his luck. Guys that aren't good hitters have low BABIP.

One Down year! One! Have you even paid attention to Swisher other then what you saw last year? Last year was so statistically abnormal that it be attributed to bad luck. Nonthing prior to last year ever suggested that Swisher's as bad as last year implied. Swisher, is a good hitter, his disipline is an asset. just becuase you don't like what you see doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

Edited November 14, 2008 by Thunderbolt

[Felix]

I love the unlucky argument. The guy struck out how many times? So unlucky. I watched most of the games. I didn't find anything unusual about his luck. Guys that aren't good hitters have low BABIP.

That explains why his BABIP was significantly lower than it ever was in his career, right?

 

Also: Juan Uribe had a .287 BABIP last year.

[That funky motion]

Swisher cannot be the Yankees everyday firstbaseman. If he really is and I was one of the people who bought the 850,000 suites or the 2500 a game seats, I'd tell Hank and Hal they have some explaining to do.

Here are the two key things Brian Cashman said today about Nick Swisher:

“We acquired him for the purpose of plugging him into the lineup on an everyday basis.”

Then a few minutes later:

“He’s at average at best in center field and it’s as simple as that. He’s a guy who can give us plus defense at the corners and at first base and we could play him in center field if we chose to do that. But we’d be looking for a different type of profile for that position, quite frankly. … Center field would be more of an insurance policy for us.”

 

[flavum]

Conference call w/ KW is on Sox website.

 

What was with the nose breather? Good lord.

 

[TLAK]

I think its obvious that Swisher was going to have a tough time getting on the field for the White Sox next season.

 

His value to this team was less than it would be to other teams.

[Dick Allen]

One Down year! One! Have you even paid attention to Swisher other then what you saw last year? Last year was so statistically abnormal that it be attributed to bad luck. Nonthing prior to last year ever suggested that Swisher's as bad as last year implied. Swisher, is a good hitter, his disipline is an asset. just becuase you don't like what you see doesn't mean it doesn't have value.

He's a .244 career hitter with a strikeout in less than every 4 AB. Maybe you like guys who bat 7th and the best thing they will give you is a walk in front of the teams 2 weakest hitters. I aim higher.

[Dick Allen]

That explains why his BABIP was significantly lower than it ever was in his career, right?

 

Also: Juan Uribe had a .287 BABIP last year.

Uribe hit the ball better than Swisher. Do you not agree?

[Dick Allen]

I can't believe KW compared Marquez to Jon Garland. When Garland was his age he had 250 more IP in the major leagues than Marquez has in the minors.

[chunk23]

I've started to calm down about this trade. What I'm seeing it as is very similar to the Carlos Lee trade. We may have gotten some useful parts out of it, which I think we did, but more importantly with Crede, Uribe and Swish gone KW has a lot more room for FA. I think you can expect the Cuban kid, another INF and an SP through FA.

 

 

We'll probably still trade for Tavares though.

[Flash Tizzle]

This is one step in Williams Guillen proofing his lineup. If Swisher remained here Guillen was going continue plugging him in CF; regardless of how he fared defensively. Find a CF for CF, not some retread OF who is past his prime or a AAAA OF who's only asset is speed -- whenever it is he gets on base.

 

 

[Felix]

Uribe hit the ball better than Swisher. Do you not agree?

Not really, unless you are saying Uribe had a higher batting average than Swisher which is a fact, not an opinion. As a whole, Swisher was a more effective player than Uribe last year.

[Flash Tizzle]

I've started to calm down about this trade. What I'm seeing it as is very similar to the Carlos Lee trade. We may have gotten some useful parts out of it, which I think we did, but more importantly with Crede, Uribe and Swish gone KW has a lot more room for FA. I think you can expect the Cuban kid, another INF and an SP through FA.

 

 

We'll probably still trade for Tavares though.

For any trade to be compared to the Carlos Lee deal proves it was terrible.

 

I wouldn't expect a starting pitcher through FA, nor would I want one. We're better off holding on Vazquez and plugging Richard into the lineup.

 

You're going to be disappointed if you believe all the money from Crede/Uribe/Swishers departure will be used for FA. Does anyone know how much our payroll is increasing over last season? A significant portion of that money may go towards the raises of players currently on the ballclub.

[Dick Allen]

Not really, unless you are saying Uribe had a higher batting average than Swisher which is a fact, not an opinion. As a whole, Swisher was a more effective player than Uribe last year.

Swisher's .595 road OPS was stellar. I can't understand why the White Sox would want to get out of the $22 million he's owed the next 3 years.

[Reddy]

guess Pauly's not going anywhere.

 

so now the question is... with Swish and Dye gone, who the heck is in the outfield besides CQ?