smalls2598 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Per ESPN Pujols beats out Howard for NL MVP award Associated Press NEW YORK -- St. Louis Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols has won his second National League Most Valuable Player award. Pujols won by a comfortable margin over Philadelphia Phillies slugger Ryan Howard. Milwaukee's Ryan Braun was third and Los Angeles outfielder Manny Ramirez came in fourth after playing just two months with the Dodgers. Pujols hit .357 with 37 home runs and 116 RBIs despite playing much of the season with a sore right elbow. The Cardinals finished fourth in the NL Central. Pujols got 18 of the 32 first-place votes. He also won the award in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Ramirez didn't even play half a season in the NL, how could he get votes for the NL MVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 the guys a beast...i can't believe this is only his second award....he deserved it no doubt...his freaking obp was .462...crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 11:55 AM) the guys a beast...i can't believe this is only his second award....he deserved it no doubt...his freaking obp was .462...crazy A couple of the guys winning them before him may have had some....assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 Hmmm, a few years ago Pujols complained that someone won the award over him despite their team missing the playoffs. I wonder if his opinion's changed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) Hmmm, a few years ago Pujols complained that someone won the award over him despite their team missing the playoffs. I wonder if his opinion's changed now. Albert was asked a few weeks ago who he'd give the MVP to, he said that since his team didn't make the playoffs he would give it to Howard. Pujols was 100% deserving, I don't give a s*** what his team did he was by FAR the best player in baseball this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 03:28 PM) Hmmm, a few years ago Pujols complained that someone won the award over him despite their team missing the playoffs. I wonder if his opinion's changed now. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 01:27 PM) Ramirez didn't even play half a season in the NL, how could he get votes for the NL MVP? The Dodgers don't even make the playoffs if it's not for Manny. Also, did you not see his stats from his time in LA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 02:42 PM) Pujols was 100% deserving, I don't give a s*** what his team did he was by FAR the best player in baseball this season. ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 17, 2008 Share Posted November 17, 2008 QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) The Dodgers don't even make the playoffs if it's not for Manny. Also, did you not see his stats from his time in LA? They were still stats for like 2 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I'd be all for it they changed it from MVP to MOP. It's hard to argue with Pujols winning though, even with the fact the Cardinals didn't make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 I think it's worth noting that St. Louis won 86 games (which would have won the division in the West), and I would like to imagine that they are probably a 76 or fewer win team without Pujols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 12:27 AM) I think it's worth noting that St. Louis won 86 games (which would have won the division in the West), and I would like to imagine that they are probably a 76 or fewer win team without Pujols. Well Pujols finished with a VORP right around 100 (by far the highest in the game, Hanley was 2nd at like 80) and typically 10 points in VORP = 1 win, so at least according to Value Over Replacement Player Pujols was worth about 10 extra wins to the Cardinals making them a 76 win team without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 02:36 PM) Well Pujols finished with a VORP right around 100 (by far the highest in the game, Hanley was 2nd at like 80) and typically 10 points in VORP = 1 win, so at least according to Value Over Replacement Player Pujols was worth about 10 extra wins to the Cardinals making them a 76 win team without him. damn, I'm good...I didn't even look either. I'd like to think it's more too because I strongly doubt Ludwick and probably Glaus as well (though the transition from AL to NL is a bit easier) have the years they do without Pujols in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 Just so everyone knows, I was pointing out Pujols comments, not saying I agreed with them. He definitely was the best player in the NL and without him his team might have been the worst in baseball. Thusly he was deserving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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