fathom Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Traded for a good reliever in Ramon Ramirez. Thankfully, we won't see Crisp playing on the southside now. I wonder if this means Cubs will target DeJesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Sox could still target DeJesus. I don't think the Royals will move him but there is obviously a good rappore as the Sox and Royals have made numerous deal in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 10:33 AM) Sox could still target DeJesus. I don't think the Royals will move him but there is obviously a good rappore as the Sox and Royals have made numerous deal in recent years. REPOIRE Rally McBoone/Dougal. LOL. I think some money must have changed hands from the Red Sox to the Royals...we'll find out later I guess. Edited November 19, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) REPOIRE Rally McBoone/Dougal. LOL. I think some money must have changed hands from the Red Sox to the Royals...we'll find out later I guess. I hope you aren't correcting his spelling. It's "rapport." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (G&T @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 09:37 AM) I hope you aren't correcting his spelling. It's "rapport." 1. repoire 11 up, 15 down Stupid people use this word when they mean "rapport". ". . . Given our 'repoire' I know your intention in saying it was not to make me laugh." So much for my University of Iowa education and six years of teaching. I should have gone to Northwestern, lol. This ranks up there with uncharted/unchartered waters I think. mlbtraderumors.com (By the way, Jenksy market just shrunk a little more. Valverde and Wigginton were put on the market by the 'Stros.) 8:48am: According to Brian McRae reporting for Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City, the Royals acquired Coco Crisp from the Red Sox for reliever Ramon Ramirez. I emailed McRae to confirm, and he said, "It's a done deal." The Royals get speed and a capable center fielder, while the Red Sox receive a quality late-game reliever. Crisp, 29, hit .283/.344/.407 in 409 plate appearances this year. His center field defense saved 26 bases over the average last year, but was two below this year (he did battle groin, hamstring, knee, and foot issues). Crisp will earn $5.75MM in '09 and has an $8MM club option with a $500K buyout for '10. The Red Sox trim payroll here, as Ramirez is not yet arbitration-eligible. He will not reach free agency until after the 2012 season, so the Red Sox impressively acquired four years of his services. The 27 year-old posted a 2.64 ERA in 71.2 innings this year while whiffing 70. The Royals might have to add a reliever to compensate for his absence. They're also a bit heavy on outfielders at this point. HEY, we can trade them Boone Logan for Justin Gathright and all of our CF problems are solved...lol. That would be like having Carl Lewis play CF. Cool! Edited November 19, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Good move by the Royals, IMO, Crisp fills in nicely there. They'll likely move DeJesus to LF, which is his better position, let him leadoff, and have Crisp bat second while occupying CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 09:43 AM) 1. repoire 11 up, 15 down Stupid people use this word when they mean "rapport". ". . . Given our 'repoire' I know your intention in saying it was not to make me laugh." So much for my University of Iowa education and six years of teaching. I should have gone to Northwestern, lol. This ranks up there with uncharted/unchartered waters I think. mlbtraderumors.com (By the way, Jenksy market just shrunk a little more. Valverde and Wigginton were put on the market by the 'Stros.) 8:48am: According to Brian McRae reporting for Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City, the Royals acquired Coco Crisp from the Red Sox for reliever Ramon Ramirez. I emailed McRae to confirm, and he said, "It's a done deal." The Royals get speed and a capable center fielder, while the Red Sox receive a quality late-game reliever. Crisp, 29, hit .283/.344/.407 in 409 plate appearances this year. His center field defense saved 26 bases over the average last year, but was two below this year (he did battle groin, hamstring, knee, and foot issues). Crisp will earn $5.75MM in '09 and has an $8MM club option with a $500K buyout for '10. The Red Sox trim payroll here, as Ramirez is not yet arbitration-eligible. He will not reach free agency until after the 2012 season, so the Red Sox impressively acquired four years of his services. The 27 year-old posted a 2.64 ERA in 71.2 innings this year while whiffing 70. The Royals might have to add a reliever to compensate for his absence. They're also a bit heavy on outfielders at this point. HEY, we can trade them Boone Logan for Justin Gathright and all of our CF problems are solved...lol. That would be like having Carl Lewis play CF. Cool! I think you mean Joey Gathright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) Wow, the Royals are really good at making moves that force them to make other moves. A name change, perhaps? Kansas City Logjams? Edited November 19, 2008 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 09:59 AM) I think you mean Joey Gathright. Hahaha...I'm on drugs today. Kevin Bacon Six Degrees of Separation...thinking overwhelming speed...Carl Lewis in CF...Justin Gatlin...Joey Justin Gathright, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 10:01 AM) Wow, the Royals are really good at making moves that force them to make other moves. A name change, perhaps? Kansas City Logjams? Maybe they'll now give us Billy Butler, who will make up for our losing out on Viciedo. Immobile but the potential to rake. I still think DeJesus, Teahen and Gathright are likely casualties. The problem is that Guillen is really a DH, masquerading as a RFer. I do think that things are really changing economically in baseball when the Royals can afford to take on Meche, Guillen and now Crisp with the downturn we're in. And the Red Sox are the ones shedding salary here. Maybe Maier in LF/CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 12:20 PM) Maybe they'll now give us Billy Butler, who will make up for our losing out on Viciedo. Immobile but the potential to rake. I still think DeJesus, Teahen and Gathright are likely casualties. The problem is that Guillen is really a DH, masquerading as a RFer. I do think that things are really changing economically in baseball when the Royals can afford to take on Meche, Guillen and now Crisp with the downturn we're in. And the Red Sox are the ones shedding salary here. Maybe Maier in LF/CF. Wait, did he sign with someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Well, this is a relative yawner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...as/extra_bases/ Deal confirmed at Boston Globe now. Interesting note: Some think Justin Masterson's going to the rotation (Buchholz/Wakefield spot) with this move, as Ramirez slides into Masterson's set-up role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Crisp is a solid player. We need to get a lead off hitter. I'm not sure who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Sox could be after DeJesus right now, as that leadoff option who could play CF. What's he like defensively in CF again? Think the Red Sox have done pretty well here. Don't really get what Moore is trying to achieve but acquiring all of these hitters, but maybe he has some sort of plan. But the Royals is much weaker right now than what it was in 2008, and that should be a big concern for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) We need to get a lead off hitter. I'm not sure who. I'm still a big Brian Roberts fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 DeJesus is above average in the field. I don't see the Royals trading him in the division though. He would look GREAT leading off for us and playing center though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Assuming a deal doesn't go through, where we get a name Cf with decent speed, i have Anderson slotted in as our leadoff man next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 12:03 PM) Assuming a deal doesn't go through, where we get a name Cf with decent speed, i have Anderson slotted in as our leadoff man next year. You go with your bad self And that aint happenin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) You go with your bad self And that aint happenin' I know i don't like it much either, but it's totally an Ozzie thing to do. Assuming we've got the guys we've got now. I'm seeing BA AJ Q Dye Thome Konerko Ramirez Fields Nix Logically, it's a bad move. BA and Aj are not top of the order hitters, but who else goes up there? Ramirez, maybe, but Ozzie seems to like him down. I think we'd be forcing his hand here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) I know i don't like it much either, but it's totally an Ozzie thing to do. Assuming we've got the guys we've got now. I'm seeing BA AJ Q Dye Thome Konerko Ramirez Fields Nix Logically, it's a bad move. BA and Aj are not top of the order hitters, but who else goes up there? Ramirez, maybe, but Ozzie seems to like him down. I think we'd be forcing his hand here. Im sorry, that is the Anti-Ozzie thing to do. Ozzie has a thing for BA on the bench, thats about all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yeah, i'm just hoping badly that we get Owens off the roster ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I've actually read where DeJesus was not that good defensively in CF, hence the move for Crisp, who is better. I also see them dealing players like Teahen and Shealy before they deal DeJesus and Butler. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Jose Guillen traded though either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) . I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Jose Guillen traded though either. Who do you see biting on that terrible contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) Sox could be after DeJesus right now, as that leadoff option who could play CF. What's he like defensively in CF again? Think the Red Sox have done pretty well here. Don't really get what Moore is trying to achieve but acquiring all of these hitters, but maybe he has some sort of plan. But the Royals is much weaker right now than what it was in 2008, and that should be a big concern for them. The Royals have been rumored to be suitors for Furcal for a while now. If they get him, then can run out this team: Lineup: Furcal SS Aviles 2B DeJesus LF Guillen RF Jacobs 1B Butler/Kila Ka'al'a'alala'mala'alla'na'al'alla'hue DH Gordon 3B Olivo C Crisp CF Rotation: Greinke-Meche-Bannister-Davies-Hochevar with other names possibly in the mix, including Cortes The Royals hurt their bullpen by dealing for Crisp and Jacobs, but they're usually a team that looks to pick up rebounding relievers and deal them around the break for prospects/projects. I could see the Royals looking at one of the injured starters like Freddy and Bartolo plus a couple of the former closers like Cordero as one year reclamation projects. In all they will continue building something resembling a Major League baseball team. As we know, all it takes is a few well-timed break-out years for them to be legit contenders. If Kyle Davies and a couple of Gordon/Butler/Kila reach their potential then the Royals will be in the thick of the race IMO. I still expect them to at some point begin trading their prospects for young MLB-proven talent. The only possible untouchables IMO would be Moustakas, who beat the s*** out of the ball in Burlington last year, and our former prospect Daniel Cortes who could be ready as soon as this year. I was actually kind of surprised to not see them in on Matt Holliday. The Royals were my dark horse there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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