Greg Hibbard Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:22 PM) because, frankly we have been lucky with JD, especially with injuries. This is a good time to sell high. So explain how acquiring Edwin Jackson selling JD "high" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Why would we want Furcal if scouts are saying Beckham will be our regular 2b by June? I can see Roberts, because the term is shorter, but not Furcal. I would hope this would free us up to acquire either an ace pitcher or a CF with speed.... Otherwise, I don't really see the point of this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:16 PM) Because it would cost something like 4 years and $50 million to get Furcal here. Plus he would have to adjust to the AL and you don't know how his back is going to hold up. That said, if the Sox signed Furcal today, I would love the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) Why would we want Furcal if scouts are saying Beckham will be our regular 2b by June? I can see Roberts, because the term is shorter, but not Furcal. I would hope this would free us up to acquire either an ace pitcher or a CF with speed.... Otherwise, I don't really see the point of this... If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:22 PM) One year left on his deal, getting worse in all aspects of the game right now. No doubt he is a productive player, but an opportunity to get some more young pitching is something that you really can't pass up. But this is all speculation that Jackson is at the center of this deal, let's wait till we find out who they get (or if the deal even goes down) before we ask why trade Dye. Also, the $10 million that Dye makes could be turned into some other valuable chips. But isn't there a club option in that contract (Dye's) for 2010 as well...??? And a $1 million buyout? Furcal to SS, if we can't get a better CF (like Taveras), then we move Ramirez out there and let Getz/Nix/Betemit fight it out for 2B. OR we trade for Roberts, sign Furcal, Ramirez goes to CF and we have the most amazing offseason in recent memory... But I prefer pairing Furcal and Ramirez up the middle and not giving Alexei on the job training for yet another position...not to mention the adverse affect it might have on his offense. Edited November 21, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:27 AM) So explain how acquiring Edwin Jackson selling JD "high" It's not. It would depend on the other piece or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. I'm down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 what Cubans do they have? We're all about the Cubans today (why don't we have a Cuban flag smiley?) Damn mods sitting on their ass again. /back to discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) If we acquired Furcal, I'm guessing Alexei might move to CF. Lineup by June in a perfect world (assuming Konerko, Dye, or Thome are not dealt, which would then make it even a more perfecter world!). SS Furcal CF Ramirez LF Quentin RF Dye DH Thome 1B Konerko C Pierzynski 3B Viciedo 2B Beckham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Lineup by June in a perfect world (assuming Konerko, Dye, or Thome are not dealt, which would then make it even a more perfecter world!). SS Furcal CF Ramirez LF Quentin RF Dye DH Thome 1B Konerko C Pierzynski 3B Viciedo 2B Beckham The only part of that lineup I dont absolutely love is Paul Konerko. Other than that though, its pure sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) Lineup by June in a perfect world (assuming Konerko, Dye, or Thome are not dealt, which would then make it even a more perfecter world!). SS Furcal CF Ramirez LF Quentin RF Dye DH Thome 1B Konerko C Pierzynski 3B Viciedo 2B Beckham Add Brian Roberts to Furcal...add Fields/Viciedo/Betemit as your 3B "platoon" That would have the makings of a monster line-up. I just don't think it's realistic until 2010. But pairing Roberts and Furcal in front of the bashers would scare a lot of teams, even the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:29 PM) But isn't there a club option in that contract (Dye's) for 2010 as well...??? And a $1 million buyout? Furcal to SS, if we can't get a better CF (like Taveras), then we move Ramirez out there and let Getz/Nix/Betemit fight it out for 2B. OR we trade for Roberts, sign Furcal, Ramirez goes to CF and we have the most amazing offseason in recent memory... But I prefer pairing Furcal and Ramirez up the middle and not giving Alexei on the job training for yet another position...not to mention the adverse affect it might have on his offense. The mutual option for Dye is pretty moot IMO. TB trains in FL. I think JD lives in Phoenix. If his play warrants that size contract, I doubt he'd stay there. On the other hand if he stayed with the White Sox, and the option was exercised, he would be a 5/10 guy. So the White Sox couldn't exercise it to trade him. If the Sox could get Edwin Jackson straight up and not throw any money TB's way, I say do it. Jackson was no great shakes but his record and ERA where better than Vazquez's and he gets paid nothing. He also had 9 starts against NYY and BOS. I don't know how the season ticket sales are going in TB, but I doubt they will be drawing 30k a game in 2009, although they probably made a ton of money with the extra playoff games. I don't see why they would be adding a ton of salary. Maybe KW is willing to eat some, but as someone pointed out earlier, that would be something new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 If you could get Crawford, Davis and a couple more prospects for Jenks and Dye, would you make that move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 12:42 PM) If the Sox really are talking to Tampa, Jenks has to be brought up in conversation. I agree, and if this is the case then Kenny will most likely be asking for Fernando Perez. The kid is a player Kenny would most likely be infatuated with. Flat out speed and can fly around the bases. He's currently playing in winter ball right now, last time I checked he was flat out raking. I just don't think we have the pieces to land a guy like Crawford, and one of their starting pitchers unless they get Jenks and Dye. In all honesty I think we'd have to get a better picher than Jackson if this is indeed the package that is being offered. Should be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:49 AM) If you could get Crawford, Davis and a couple more prospects for Jenks and Dye, would you make that move? As quickly as I could sign the paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:49 AM) If you could get Crawford, Davis and a couple more prospects for Jenks and Dye, would you make that move? In a second, but I don't think the Rays would...not for just one guaranteed year of JD at his age, versus the White Sox having Crawford for two at less money. Then there's the supposition that Davis has roughly equal value to Jenks in terms of a straight-up trade for the many reasons we've already discussed with Jenks' "value" and the fact that Davis, as a starter, is more valuable than a reliever who's going into arb. years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:52 AM) I agree, and if this is the case then Kenny will most likely be asking for Fernando Perez. The kid is a player Kenny would most likely be infatuated with. Flat out speed and can fly around the bases. He's currently playing in winter ball right now, last time I checked he was flat out raking. I just don't think we have the pieces to land a guy like Crawford, and one of their starting pitchers unless they get Jenks and Dye. In all honesty I think we'd have to get a better picher than Jackson if this is indeed the package that is being offered. Should be interesting. I am guessing because of salary considerations, a deal for Crawford would be easier than a deal for Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:42 AM) If the Sox really are talking to Tampa, Jenks has to be brought up in conversation. I've heard that Tampa may deal Crawford, so the talk is relevant. It will be Edwin Jackson, Fernando Perez & Jeff Niemen for Jermaine Dye. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Perez. He could be a 60-70 steal guy, much cheaper than Willy Tavares. Very smart, he went to Columbia, very nice guy. Was so money in the Southern League in 2007. I'd be surprised if KW wasn't asking for him. Or, it could be Jenks and Dye, Tampa needs a closer, RF & a DH. Then you get back Jackson, Niemen, Perez & Davis. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:52 AM) I agree, and if this is the case then Kenny will most likely be asking for Fernando Perez. The kid is a player Kenny would most likely be infatuated with. Flat out speed and can fly around the bases. He's currently playing in winter ball right now, last time I checked he was flat out raking. I just don't think we have the pieces to land a guy like Crawford, and one of their starting pitchers unless they get Jenks and Dye. In all honesty I think we'd have to get a better picher than Jackson if this is indeed the package that is being offered. Should be interesting. The question is how much better of an option is Perez than Anderson/Owens in CF as a platoon? I don't think it's clear-cut, nor is it obvious Perez can be a regular player or the type of player who can easily translate his speed automatically into 50 stolen bases. Then there's the fact that he's not really your classic leadoff hitter in terms of his approach either, more of a 9 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just say no to Perez (even if he is the smartest player in baseball). He's a weak hitter who reminds some observers of W. Taveras with the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:54 PM) The question is how much better of an option is Perez than Anderson/Owens in CF as a platoon? I don't think it's clear-cut, nor is it obvious Perez can be a regular player or the type of player who can easily translate his speed automatically into 50 stolen bases. Then there's the fact that he's not really your classic leadoff hitter in terms of his approach either, more of a 9 hitter. Brian Anderson is a better player than Perez. Perez also has a horrific throwing arm that makes Juan Pierre look like Roberto Clemente. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:54 AM) I've heard that Tampa may deal Crawford, so the talk is relevant. It will be Edwin Jackson, Fernando Perez & Jeff Niemen for Jermaine Dye. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Perez. He could be a 60-70 steal guy, much cheaper than Willy Tavares. Very smart, he went to Columbia, very nice guy. Was so money in the Southern League in 2007. I'd be surprised if KW wasn't asking for him. Or, it could be Jenks and Dye, Tampa needs a closer, RF & a DH. Then you get back Jackson, Niemen, Perez & Davis. Just my two cents. You sound very confident in your statements. Will be? Do you have some inside info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:54 PM) Or, it could be Jenks and Dye, Tampa needs a closer, RF & a DH. Then you get back Jackson, Niemen, Perez & Davis. Just my two cents. Kenny Williams should be fired if that's the deal. You can't trade Jenks for "prospects". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:56 AM) Brian Anderson is a better player than Perez. Perez also has a horrific throwing arm that makes Juan Pierre look like Roberto Clemente. So he's Taveras without the arm? In other words, he's Jerry Owens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 (edited) Maybe we should trade for Breslow of the Twins so we can pair two Ivy Leaguers together in Breslow and Perez in case next year's coin toss is junked instead for a debate on "global warming and green jobs." Although personally, I'd rather see Gardenhire and Guillen fight in a cage match, lol. Edited November 21, 2008 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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