RockRaines Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:13 PM) Mets fans are apparently dumb as hell Apparently they've never heard of John Danks, nor did they realize that Quentin is 100 percent untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:10 PM) Mets fans opinions: Ah yes, you wouldnt even do it if we included the AL MVP. Mmm Hmm. Wow @ the Mets fans thinking they're getting Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (BFirebird @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:14 PM) Well then I definitely don't believe it. We are getting Heilman for sure now. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Heilman can be one of the best relievers in the game. In 2006 he was downright filthy. If we get Heilman in this deal I love this even more. He makes his home in Chicago, and is an Indiana native. Some players just aren't meant to play in New York, Heilman may be one of them. The Mets haven't been able to figure out what is wrong with Heilman, which to me just screams that the man needs a change of scenery and a fresh start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) On a sidenote, giving up just one of Pelfrey or Martinez for Jenks and Javy would be highway f***ing robbery by the Mets. Theyd' be robbing the Sox blindly. How often have we read other teams boards and thought, the fans are f***ing nuts, no way the Sox would accept that. And I'm certain they look at ours and think the same thing sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:16 PM) Apparently they've never heard of John Danks, nor did they realize that Quentin is 100 percent untouchable. People who live in NY don't know anything about the Sox unless ESPN told them. I live in NY and that stereotype is not a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I agree with who said that Pelfrey won't be in the deal. I just can't see the Mets trading a 24 year old SP who posted a 3.8 ERA last year. Plus, he's a Boras client. If that happens, we'd have to get Heilmann, Murphy, and someone else, but the Mets would be robbing us then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:21 PM) I agree with who said that Pelfrey won't be in the deal. I just can't see the Mets trading a 24 year old SP who posted a 3.8 ERA last year. Plus, he's a Boras client. If that happens, we'd have to get Heilmann, Murphy, and someone else, but the Mets would be robbing us then. BTW, Dan Murphy strained his hamstring yesterday and is skipping winter ball. I don't know what effect that has. Linky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:18 PM) How often have we read other teams boards and thought, the fans are f***ing nuts, no way the Sox would accept that. And I'm certain they look at ours and think the same thing sometimes. Well at the same time if people just nitpicked certain posters trade proposals on this forum I would bet other fanbases think that whitesox fans are nuts. Bottom line though Pelfrey is coming off an avg. year while he greatly struggled last and Martinez is just a prospect. While they would be receiving a proven closer, under contract for a few more years still and a veteran SP that prob will put up a similar era to Pelfrey in the NL in a pitchers park with more innings and double the K's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Mets fans want Quentin? Give me Wright, Pelfrey, and Martinez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:21 PM) I agree with who said that Pelfrey won't be in the deal. I just can't see the Mets trading a 24 year old SP who posted a 3.8 ERA last year. Plus, he's a Boras client. If that happens, we'd have to get Heilmann, Murphy, and someone else, but the Mets would be robbing us then. I don't understand why Pelfrey being a Boras client would make the Sox not want him. He's not a FA for a while, and the Sox have dealt with pre-FA Boras clients before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I wonder if we will see a long term contract for Quentin come out of any major free up of money. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (CWSOX45 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) That's not necessarily a bad thing. Heilman can be one of the best relievers in the game. In 2006 he was downright filthy. If we get Heilman in this deal I love this even more. He makes his home in Chicago, and is an Indiana native. Some players just aren't meant to play in New York, Heilman may be one of them. The Mets haven't been able to figure out what is wrong with Heilman, which to me just screams that the man needs a change of scenery and a fresh start. However, he wants out of NY because he wants to be a starter. I wouldn't trade for him if you plan on putting him in the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) On a sidenote, giving up just one of Pelfrey or Martinez for Jenks and Javy would be highway f***ing robbery by the Mets. Theyd' be robbing the Sox blindly. How about Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy for Vazquez, Jenks and Dye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 If the Sox could get back Martinez, Pelfrey, and Murphy for Jenks and Javy I'd be very happy with that deal. Then the Sox could turn around and bid on Adam Dunn to play LF, who seems to be flying under the radar a bit himself and would make an excellent replacement for Thome come 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I think I saw someone else post this as a thought...but could the Sox try to trade these older vets to get some prospects that the O's would want for Roberts? Is this possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 09:35 PM) Okay if we can only give up Jenks and Vazquez for Martinez and Pelfrey, I would do that in a heartbeat. Martinez is a f***ing stud and Pelfrey has a bright future. I'd maybe want another piece, but why would the Mets do this? But...it's probably both guys for either Martinez or Pelfrey. I'm not sure- I still may consider that. Getting prospects for proven veterans for our side doesn't sound like a KW deal to me. Plus two of our pitchers would leave quite a hole unless we have some free agent for sure signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Martinez AND Pelfrey would make me piss myself. MAKE IT HAPPEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) How about Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy for Vazquez, Jenks and Dye? That's not just highway robbery; that is Kenny Williams driving into the worst neighborhood in town, finding a thug on the side of the road, stopping, getting out, offering the keys, presenting him with the title to the car, then sucking off the guy in the back seat and waving good-bye to him as he pulls off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) That's not just highway robbery; that is Kenny Williams driving into the worst neighborhood in town, finding a thug on the side of the road, stopping, getting out, offering the keys, presenting him with the title to the car, then sucking off the guy in the back seat and waving good-bye to him as he pulls off. Quite a visual there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) I agree with who said that Pelfrey won't be in the deal. I just can't see the Mets trading a 24 year old SP who posted a 3.8 ERA last year. Plus, he's a Boras client. Joe Crede is a Boras client. How long was he on the team for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 05:39 PM) That's not just highway robbery; that is Kenny Williams driving into the worst neighborhood in town, finding a thug on the side of the road, stopping, getting out, offering the keys, presenting him with the title to the car, then sucking off the guy in the back seat and waving good-bye to him as he pulls off. I'd do Heilman, Murphy, and Pelfrey for Vazquez and Jenks, but not for Dye, Jenks, and Vazquez. NO NO NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 11:39 PM) That's not just highway robbery; that is Kenny Williams driving into the worst neighborhood in town, finding a thug on the side of the road, stopping, getting out, offering the keys, presenting him with the title to the car, then sucking off the guy in the back seat and waving good-bye to him as he pulls off. How do you figure? Sox free up $30mil from the books. They sign, say, Frucal and Lowe. So you are looking at Dye, Jenks, Vazquez for Frucal, Lowe, Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy. Not bad if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:49 PM) How do you figure? Sox free up $30mil from the books. They sign, say, Frucal and Lowe. So you are looking at Dye, Jenks, Vazquez for Frucal, Lowe, Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy. Not bad if you ask me. That is IF you can sign them. That is a BIG IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:49 PM) How do you figure? Sox free up $30mil from the books. They sign, say, Frucal and Lowe. So you are looking at Dye, Jenks, Vazquez for Frucal, Lowe, Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy. Not bad if you ask me. Also, I am under the belief they are trying to cut payroll. I don't see any big time FA coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Nov 21, 2008 -> 04:49 PM) How do you figure? Sox free up $30mil from the books. They sign, say, Frucal and Lowe. So you are looking at Dye, Jenks, Vazquez for Frucal, Lowe, Pelfrey, Heilman and Murphy. Not bad if you ask me. If I understand correctly, this is real life and not MLB 2k7. Sorry for the asshole comment, but for something like you suggested were to happen, this would be MLB 2k7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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