Dog Fighting

[juddling]

Just when you thought Joey Porter couldn't say anything stupider..he does...

 

DAVIE, Fla. -- On the topic of imprisoned former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick's possible NFL reinstatement, at least two prominent Miami Dolphins are all for it.

 

Vick was convicted for his role in a dogfighting ring and is serving time in a Kansas federal prison. He's scheduled to be released next summer.

 

Dolphins outside linebacker Joey Porter and defensive end Vonnie Holliday said Vick deserves another chance, although Porter's comments raised eyebrows.

 

"He's already been punished enough," said Porter, who owns a pair of pit bulls and a Maltese. "They gave him his penalty. He paid his penalty. What else should they do to him now?

 

"All it was was dogs. They act like they don't even like pit bulls anyway. That's the funny thing about it if you want to get back on that topic. I got pit bulls, I got to put them under a different breed just to travel. So you can't even fly pit bulls nowhere.

 

"It's a breed they don't care about. It's not like he was fighting cocker spaniels or something that they like. They don't really care too much about pit bulls."

 

 

[GoodAsGould]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

[nitetrain8601]

I know I can't be the only one looking at the Titans being 10-0 and thinking they really just aren't... that... good...? Can I?

 

I agree. I can not quite understand that one at all. I also felt this way in 2001 I think it was when they made it to the AFC Championship game and lost against Oakland.

[T R U]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs.

 

you're a douchebag

 

[Brian]

you're a douchebag

 

Agreed. We can clearly see who has and who hasn't had a dog in their life.

[StrangeSox]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

 

It's still torturing something for sport/ entertainment. It's disgusting.

[shipps]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

 

He was taking some of his family pets and throwing them in with the fighting dogs just to be tortured.I dont like dogs but that is f***ing sick,I could never hurt my family's pets let alone breed fighting dogs.

[GoodAsGould]

He was taking some of his family pets and throwing them in with the fighting dogs just to be tortured.I dont like dogs but that is f***ing sick,I could never hurt my family's pets let alone breed fighting dogs.

 

Im not arguing if its sick or not, and definitely should be punishments for torturing animals. But in the end I think we cant forget that they are just animals. What would be more appropiate is a huge fine/fee for everything he did, probation, and many many many hours of volunteer work. I just dont think someone should do serious jail time for animals.

[CrimsonWeltall]

Im not arguing if its sick or not, and definitely should be punishments for torturing animals. But in the end I think we cant forget that they are just animals. What would be more appropiate is a huge fine/fee for everything he did, probation, and many many many hours of volunteer work. I just dont think someone should do serious jail time for animals.

 

Frankly, I don't want people capable of that level of cruelty and who enjoy creating that kind of suffering to be around the rest of us in society.

[Rowand44]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

Unbelievable.

[Milkman delivers]

While I see the logic in the argument that they're "just animals," there has to be a line. Some people can argue that hunting is just as bad, but the objective in hunting is to take an animal down as quickly and cleanly as possible, whereas fighting animals is just an elongated torture for an animal. It's an opportunity to witness the slow, painful death of an innocent animal in order to place bets. It's sadistic, cruel, and cannot be defended. Michael Vick should be grateful that he's only doing prison. If I were the judge, he'd be sitting on death row.

[T R U]

While I see the logic in the argument that they're "just animals," there has to be a line. Some people can argue that hunting is just as bad, but the objective in hunting is to take an animal down as quickly and cleanly as possible, whereas fighting animals is just an elongated torture for an animal. It's an opportunity to witness the slow, painful death of an innocent animal in order to place bets. It's sadistic, cruel, and cannot be defended. Michael Vick should be grateful that he's only doing prison. If I were the judge, he'd be sitting on death row.

 

Death row is a bit extreme because there are people who murder other people and don't even get death row, however, the year or however long he did in jail was perfect punishment IMO.

 

He spent time in jail, its not like he had some ridiculous sentence.. he lost his job, he lost all his money. I think its safe to say he learned quite the lesson from all of this.

 

I however do not think hunting is as bad because you aren't hunting domesticated dogs, you are hunting stupid s*** that no one gives a f*** about. I could care less about a deer or a quail or a pig. Those aren't pets (Only to some weirdos) and there is actually a use to it for the food. Having two dogs rip eachother apart and torturing them and then killing them when they are useless.. that aint even CLOSE to the same thing as hunting..

[GoodAsGould]

Death row is a bit extreme because there are people who murder other people and don't even get death row, however, the year or however long he did in jail was perfect punishment IMO.

 

He spent time in jail, its not like he had some ridiculous sentence.. he lost his job, he lost all his money. I think its safe to say he learned quite the lesson from all of this.

 

I however do not think hunting is as bad because you aren't hunting domesticated dogs, you are hunting stupid s*** that no one gives a f*** about. I could care less about a deer or a quail or a pig. Those aren't pets (Only to some weirdos) and there is actually a use to it for the food. Having two dogs rip eachother apart and torturing them and then killing them when they are useless.. that aint even CLOSE to the same thing as hunting..

 

See thats where I think the logic is very flawed, how is the value of a dog any better than that of a deer or rabbit etc. Yes, dogs are household pets but they really are no different intelligent wise than any other mammal.

[shipps]

Im not arguing if its sick or not, and definitely should be punishments for torturing animals. But in the end I think we cant forget that they are just animals. What would be more appropiate is a huge fine/fee for everything he did, probation, and many many many hours of volunteer work. I just dont think someone should do serious jail time for animals.

 

About a year ago one of my Aunt's was attacked by one of these fighting dogs that escaped from its holding cage.If the owner didnt train his pitbulls to fight in illegal cage matches it wouldnt have been such a brutal attack.She is ok but there are other reasons that this stuff is illegal other than the act of fighting dog on dog.He got what he deserved,if you just fine the guys that do this it is not even a meaningless slap on the hand.

[Kyyle23]

See thats where I think the logic is very flawed, how is the value of a dog any better than that of a deer or rabbit etc. Yes, dogs are household pets but they really are no different intelligent wise than any other mammal.

 

The difference isnt the value of the animal to people. The difference is the actual torture of the animal involved, or rather two animals involved/ People dont walk into the woods and blast away as many deer as they can, they pay for their license to hunt one animal, and they try and make sure that the animal goes down as quick as possible, then the animal is butchered and consumed.

 

A fighting dog is raised to destroy or be destroyed. There is no consumption, there is no attempt to minimize suffering, and there is a concerted effort to watch and enjoy the torture of two dogs. Plus, there are family "tame" dogs, cats, wild caught animals that are thrown in with these attack dogs to train them to be aggressive at all times. Heck, Vick even used a miniature horse to train his dogs to attack. The mindset is so completely different it isnt even an argument.

 

I have no problem saying that people who engage in these activities need to see jailtime. Lack of compassion in scenarios like dogfights makes you wonder what dogfighting people actually have compassion for.

[rangercal]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

 

I agree with you in a sense.Though, I am against torturing as a whole , I believe we in America put dogs at such a high pedestal that sometimes dogs have more rights than human beings, which is ridiculous. They are animals and should not have more rights than a human being.

 

 

If someone with a sick taste of food killed a dog for food, I would not have a problem with it. However, most Americans would. To me, a dog should have no more rights than a cow or a pig.

[shipps]

Since we were clogging up the NFL thread with arguments on what is a just punishment for dog fighting we can have a thread of its own here.

[YASNY]

I read Jack London's "White Fang" many years ago. Dog fighting is extremely cruel. I say throw them under the jail.

[Milkman delivers]

Death row is a bit extreme because there are people who murder other people and don't even get death row, however, the year or however long he did in jail was perfect punishment IMO.

 

He spent time in jail, its not like he had some ridiculous sentence.. he lost his job, he lost all his money. I think its safe to say he learned quite the lesson from all of this.

 

I however do not think hunting is as bad because you aren't hunting domesticated dogs, you are hunting stupid s*** that no one gives a f*** about. I could care less about a deer or a quail or a pig. Those aren't pets (Only to some weirdos) and there is actually a use to it for the food. Having two dogs rip eachother apart and torturing them and then killing them when they are useless.. that aint even CLOSE to the same thing as hunting..

 

Well, I'm a pretty firm believer in the death penalty. I think it should be used much more than it is. So, that's where I'm coming from when I say these guys, too, should be on death row.

 

In regards to the bold part, who the hell hunts pigs? Ha, unless you mean a wild boar or something.

[Kyyle23]

Well, I'm a pretty firm believer in the death penalty. I think it should be used much more than it is. So, that's where I'm coming from when I say these guys, too, should be on death row.

 

In regards to the bold part, who the hell hunts pigs? Ha, unless you mean a wild boar or something.

 

I think Pig hunting is a big deal in the south. Most "Wild" boars are escaped pigs that have gone feral. A few years ago that Hogzilla was an escaped pig that ended up on a reserve for Boar hunting

[G&T]

I know this sounds cruel on my part, but in the end it was just dogs. Idonno how I feel about people doing serious jail time because of animals, which if he wasnt a superstar probably would be in jail for a much longer time.

 

Realize that people who torture animals have a tendency to, later, kill people. It's not a matter of simply killing an animal for food, but the actual desire to witness the agony of the animal.

[LosMediasBlancas]

" A white man gets a rifle and shoots deer, that's a sport. A black man fights dogs and that's a crime"-- Cris Rock.

That comment was meant as a joke, but seriously, isn't hunting just as bad???

 

[CrimsonWeltall]

" A white man gets a rifle and shoots deer, that's a sport. A black man fights dogs and that's a crime"-- Cris Rock.

That comment was meant as a joke, but seriously, isn't hunting just as bad???

 

I have no problem with hunting for practical purposes (food, thinning overgrown populations). Hunting purely for sport makes me a little uneasy, but at least in that case, the animals are living normal lives until the moment they are shot; they're not being spending a huge portion of their life being tortured and eventually killed.

[juddling]

" A white man gets a rifle and shoots deer, that's a sport. A black man fights dogs and that's a crime"-- Cris Rock.

That comment was meant as a joke, but seriously, isn't hunting just as bad???

 

 

It's not even on the same plane as far as i'm concerned. I would say a large percentage of hunters eat what they kill...and (unless you are going out with friends and betting on who bags the biggest deer) there isn't betting involved.

 

Dog fighting you have betting, spectators, and the loser (and sometimes winner) get thrown in the trash. Not to mention other family pets stolen to 'train' these dogs. No sport in putting a Pekinese in with a pit bull.

[Heads22]

Hunting and dog fighting are not even close.