DBAHO Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I wouldn't mind Abreu on a 2 year deal at all, if you could trade Dye for young pitching. All depends on the $$$ though, but the Sox have saved shed some payroll already this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 12:43 AM) Dye's value just went down. Abreu, Burrell, and Dunn will not cost draft picks. Ouch. I hope none of these guys were in the Reds plans and we can still get Bailey and whatnot. If Dunn was in the plans, he would still be there. They are looking for RH hitter so that leaves Burrell or Dye. Burrell may command a long-term deal and not sure the Reds want to go that route. Dye has been far more consistent of the two over the past several years so don't think this news will change anything in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 I, too, think that Abreu would be in our plans to play right/left and bat 2nd. He was a potential target around July 2007 (for Dye nonetheless) and I can see KW keeping track of him and grabbing him when he gets a chance (i.e. Vaquez, Griffey et al). We would still need a CF that could lead off (Tavares?). I know Abreu isn't the base stealer he once was nor is his power the same as in the past, but as a 2nd hitter, he could be great. The top 3 with CQ at #3 and #9 hitter (Getz?) sets up a nice group of non-base cloggers that will be followed by our base cloggers (thome, kong, aj). At least we have Alexei and Fields in there who seem less base-cloggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 QUOTE (heirdog @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 12:40 PM) I, too, think that Abreu would be in our plans to play right/left and bat 2nd. He was a potential target around July 2007 (for Dye nonetheless) and I can see KW keeping track of him and grabbing him when he gets a chance (i.e. Vaquez, Griffey et al). We would still need a CF that could lead off (Tavares?). I know Abreu isn't the base stealer he once was nor is his power the same as in the past, but as a 2nd hitter, he could be great. The top 3 with CQ at #3 and #9 hitter (Getz?) sets up a nice group of non-base cloggers that will be followed by our base cloggers (thome, kong, aj). At least we have Alexei and Fields in there who seem less base-cloggy. I also think this may be Kenny's plan (to the extent his plans can ever be predicted). I'd be happy with this if we could get Abreu for two years and Tavares for small potatoes. But I'd rather have Uribe/Alexei up the middle than Alexei/Getz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 2, 2008 Share Posted December 2, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 11:43 PM) Dye's value just went down. Abreu, Burrell, and Dunn will not cost draft picks. Ouch. I hope none of these guys were in the Reds plans and we can still get Bailey and whatnot. If we didn't already have a glut of slow, high K rate, power hitters, I would have loved for us to get either Burrell or Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I have an unhealthy mancrush on Homer Bailey fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 dye to tampa for sonanstine or edwin jackson hmm possibly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (chisox2334 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) dye to tampa for sonanstine or edwin jackson hmm possibly Get me Sonnanstine. Please and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Get me Sonnanstine. Please and thank you. I'd take Bailey over Sonnanstine. Bailey is 22 compared to 25 for Sonnanstine and he definitely has a higher potential. It'd be a prototypical KW move. See: Floyd, Gavin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:06 PM) I'd take Bailey over Sonnanstine. Bailey is 22 compared to 25 for Sonnanstine and he definitely has a higher potential. It'd be a prototypical KW move. See: Floyd, Gavin. If we were talking Sonnansinte and Bailey I'd definitely take Bailey. His ceiling is enormous. The option he gave was Sonnanstine/Jackson though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) If we were talking Sonnansinte and Bailey I'd definitely take Bailey. His ceiling is enormous. The option he gave was Sonnanstine/Jackson though. I don't see us getting both for Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:07 PM) If we were talking Sonnansinte and Bailey I'd definitely take Bailey. His ceiling is enormous. The option he gave was Sonnanstine/Jackson though. It's a shame we only have room for 25 on the everyday roster. We're going to be seeing a lot of creative maneuvering before the offseason is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 06:36 PM) I have an unhealthy mancrush on Homer Bailey fwiw. You are not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) You are not alone. Not to sound totally cliche, but look what we did with Danks and Floyd. Bailey's potential is probably better than that of Danks and Floyd when we acquired them. Imagine how Bailey may respond under Ozzie/Coop rather than Dusty Baker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:20 PM) Not to sound totally cliche, but look what we did with Danks and Floyd. Bailey's potential is probably better than that of Danks and Floyd when we acquired them. Imagine how Bailey may respond under Ozzie/Coop rather than Dusty Baker... Check out some of my posts from earlier in this thread. I'd do Dye for Bailey straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) Check out some of my posts from earlier in this thread. I'd do Dye for Bailey straight up. If they aren't as high on him as they once were, I'd try to take advantage of that and get as much more on top of Bailey as I could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:39 PM) If they aren't as high on him as they once were, I'd try to take advantage of that and get as much more on top of Bailey as I could. Oh I agree. Just saying that I'd be more than satisfied if it were a 1 for 1 deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 07:59 PM) Oh I agree. Just saying that I'd be more than satisfied if it were a 1 for 1 deal. I have to think there's some substance to the Reds deal and/or the Rays deal involving Dye. Assuming Morton is not part of the Javy package we will still need some MLB-ready SP talent unless Kenny opts to go with a FA signing and Richard or something, and God I hope he does not do that. If the Rays would be interested in Jenks and the Reds are interested in Dye, if we can do two deals there then we'd have a 4th starter in Jackson and possibily a 5th in Bailey if he can make the team. I'd feel much safer and much more optimistic about the future with Bailey and Jackson as our #4-#5 going forward for $800K combined instead of say Richard and Garland for about $12.4M combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Edwin Jackson sucks. His name should be banned from this board to finally end this 4 year man crush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 09:36 PM) Edwin Jackson sucks. His name should be banned from this board to finally end this 4 year man crush. Please justify how he sucks. He put up stats good enough for a no. 4 or 5 guy, has the potential to be even better then that, has great stuff, is cheap, and the Rays want to move to make room for Price. What's not to like? Edited December 3, 2008 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 11:44 PM) Please justify how he sucks. He put up stats good enough for a no. 4 or 5 guy, has the potential to be even better then that, has great stuff, is cheap, and the Rays want to move to make room for Price. What's not to like? theres alot to be cautious about with jackson starting with high BB/IP rates and low K/IP rates...especially for a guy with great stuff....just as importantly, last year was his only average to above average entire year of baseball since 2003 (granted the kid was rushed like hell)....i wouldnt go as far to say as he sucks as those did before in this thread, but i understand reasons to not like him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 09:44 PM) Please justify how he sucks. He put up stats good enough for a no. 4 or 5 guy, has the potential to be even better then that, has great stuff, is cheap, and the Rays want to move to make room for Price. What's not to like? I'm starting to think Jackson murdered somebody's pets or something. The hate is off the charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 04:50 AM) I'm starting to think Jackson murdered somebody's pets or something. The hate is off the charts. Hate...? What board are you posting on? He gives Eric Chavez a run for his money when it comes to most talked about opposing players. Why this board has terrible taste in players, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eickevinmorris Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 09:44 PM) Please justify how he sucks. He put up stats good enough for a no. 4 or 5 guy, has the potential to be even better then that, has great stuff, is cheap, and the Rays want to move to make room for Price. What's not to like? He was lucky as hell this season. He had a WHIP over 1.5 and was erratic and hittable. This "potential" you speak of hasn't shown up in his two years with the Rays. It takes more to pitch than good stuff, which is why Sonnanstine is the guy we should be targeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 2, 2008 -> 09:54 PM) Hate...? What board are you posting on? He gives Eric Chavez a run for his money when it comes to most talked about opposing players. Why this board has terrible taste in players, I don't know. Yes, hate. Seems like whenever his name is mentioned somebody goes off about how awful he is or how he sucks or whatever. The dude is like 25. Damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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