Question for Ozzy/Black Sabbath fans

[Milkman delivers]

This is mostly pointed towards posters who have been fans since the heyday of Ozzy and Black Sabbath. How does it make you feel to see Ozzy become such a huge whore in the past decade?

 

I love Black Sabbath and the non-recent Ozzy stuff, and it gives me a pretty clear feeling of disappointment to see what Ozzy has become. I have one uncle in particular who was an enormous fan growing up, and I can only imagine how he feels on the subject. So, before I can actually ask him, I'd like to hear what you people have to say.

 

EDIT: I just realized I spelled his name throughout the thread. OG on the brain.

Edited December 2, 2008 by Milkman delivers

[Milkman delivers]

Can a mod chance it to "Ozzy" in the title?

 

EDIT: Wow, did it before I even asked. Thanks to whomever that was.

Edited December 2, 2008 by Milkman delivers

[mr_genius]

I think it's pretty funny that Ozzy Osbourne is a big reality TV star, but besides that it doesn't change my opinion of early Black Sabbath or Ozzy's solo albums in the 1980's; Ozzy has been a driving force in a number of great albums. Truth is Ozzy has always been kind of a goof, so whoring himself out for tv commercials in his old age doesn't surprise me.

Edited December 2, 2008 by mr_genius

[Steff]

I think it's pretty funny that Ozzy Osbourne is a big reality TV star, but besides that it doesn't change my opinion of early Black Sabbath or Ozzy's solo albums in the 1980's; Ozzy has been a driving force in a number of great albums. Truth is Ozzy has always been kind of a goof, so whoring himself out for tv commercials in his old age doesn't surprise me.

 

 

Ditto. In fact I think the way he goes about whoring (saying f*** you this is how I am doing things and if you don't like it tough s***) keeps him true to himself and not a sellout like some others.

[Milkman delivers]

I'm not sure of your ages, but were either of you fans from the very beginning? I'm trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who has been following a band since its origin, and then sees something like this happen. I can only speculate, as I haven't followed any band or singer for that long, and none of the bands or singers I've liked for a while have sold out yet.

[Steff]

I'm 35 so I missed most of Ozzie's time with them - I was only 6 or 7 when they fired him - but since my dad was a fan from the start I listened to a lot of the "old" stuff and of course followed them in the 80's and 90's. When Ozzie came back in the late '90's I saw them in concert a few times. My dad doesn't mind Ozzie's whoring. He's said a few times that someone as crazy as Ozzie needs to make as much money as he can however he can to afford his shrink and perscription drug bills.

[mr_genius]

I'm not sure of your ages, but were either of you fans from the very beginning? I'm trying to put myself into the shoes of someone who has been following a band since its origin, and then sees something like this happen. I can only speculate, as I haven't followed any band or singer for that long, and none of the bands or singers I've liked for a while have sold out yet.

 

i'm 33 so i wasn't listening to any Black Sabbath in the 70's

 

but i've been following his career since about 1987 and he's always been out there and not really caring (from what i can tell) what people think. he's an musicain/entertainer basically still doing whatever he thinks is a good time.

Edited December 2, 2008 by mr_genius

[Kid Gleason]

Ozzy Osbourne died in a plane crash back on March 19th, 1982 with his brilliant guitarist Randy Rhoads. I have no idea who this twat that has replaced him since then is, but he sucks and ruined a wonderful name.

[The Critic]

I blame the money-hungry puppetmaster much more than the drug-addled, half brain-dead 60 year old (well, 60 tomorrow, anyway).

Sharon Osbourne is an absolute pig who will stoop to any depth for a buck.

[Milkman delivers]

Ozzy Osbourne died in a plane crash back on March 19th, 1982 with his brilliant guitarist Randy Rhoads. I have no idea who this twat that has replaced him since then is, but he sucks and ruined a wonderful name.

 

I blame the money-hungry puppetmaster much more than the drug-addled, half brain-dead 60 year old (well, 60 tomorrow, anyway).

Sharon Osbourne is an absolute pig who will stoop to any depth for a buck.

 

These are the responses I was expecting.

[Kid Gleason]

I should probably admit though that I am 38 so was obviously NOT into Sabbath during their initial run. But as a 10 year old kid in 1980 I was obsessed with Ozzy. The first two solo albums, IMO, are still two of the finest pieces of music ever recorded. They were so much more serious than anything else he ever did after them. There was nothing "jokey" at all. The music was brilliant, the lyrics strong, and the whole image worked perfectly.

 

Everything that followed Randy's death was an imitation of what had come before.

[CanOfCorn]

There is no difference between Ozzy's whoring and any other band/artists whoring. A whore is a whore, no matter if she's on the corner or a "call girl." The difference is...is he ok with it? And he is, so who cares?

[LosMediasBlancas]

If you have no money, sure, go ahead, whore yourself out. But WhyTF do successful artists do it?

Are they thinking, I'm 50 years old and I only have 300 mil in the bank, I'd like to have 600 mil.?

 

[Middle Buffalo]

If you have no money, sure, go ahead, whore yourself out. But WhyTF do successful artists do it?

Are they thinking, I'm 50 years old and I only have 300 mil in the bank, I'd like to have 600 mil.?

Eventually, famous people stop making money. The box office stars, tv stars, musicians, and athletes stop producing what made them famous and rich, and they just remain famous. They also fall victim to "handlers" who essentially rob them (eg. Don King and other agents/accountants). What can they do for money then? They often don't have a skill or education to fall back on, and even if they did, it wouldn't produce the sort of income they need to finance their lifestyles. So they cash in on their fame. I can't blame them.

[Steve9347]

Ozzy's such a nutball that it doesn't really bother me. Let me just state that I am 25, so most of this I got into after the fact. I'll still always love "Blizzard of Oz", "No More Tears", and "Ozzmosis", among other albums (though those are my favorites).

 

I think I'm one of like 4 people that never really cared for Black Sabbath but really really really adore Ozzy's solo work (up until Ozzmosis, after that they got really bad).

Edited December 5, 2008 by Steve9347

[LosMediasBlancas]

Eventually, famous people stop making money. The box office stars, tv stars, musicians, and athletes stop producing what made them famous and rich, and they just remain famous. They also fall victim to "handlers" who essentially rob them (eg. Don King and other agents/accountants). What can they do for money then? They often don't have a skill or education to fall back on, and even if they did, it wouldn't produce the sort of income they need to finance their lifestyles. So they cash in on their fame. I can't blame them.

 

I'd say only a very small % of them are victims who NEED to make money.

Another small group I believe truly does it because they love what they do. Like The Stones, when those guys hit the stage, they are totally in love with what they do and they mostly do it for fun for themselves.....and a lot of people still want to see them doing it.

Most of the others are just greedy or weird.

[Middle Buffalo]

I'd say only a very small % of them are victims who NEED to make money.

Another small group I believe truly does it because they love what they do. Like The Stones, when those guys hit the stage, they are totally in love with what they do and they mostly do it for fun for themselves.....and a lot of people still want to see them doing it.

Most of the others are just greedy or weird.

When people make money, they spend it. So the guy in Malibu with the mansion has a huge mortgage, a summer home in Aspen, expensive cars, service staff, agents, etc, and when his stream of income declines, he still has bills to pay. If he didn't take care in financial planning, he's screwed. That's why "celebrities" go on reality shows and take parts in bad movies. That's why they go to card signings, etc. It's because they've grown used to the lavish life, and they want to maintain it.

 

The Stones are a great example of a band that "sold out" many years ago. Their new music hasn't been relevant for 30 years, and they trade on their name to fill arenas. "Satisfaction," "Start Me Up," and some others from their catalog are regularly used in movies, tv, and commercials. I've heard that they're great in concert, but I wouldn't exactly say that they aren't in it for the money at this point. That doesn't mean they don't enjoy it, but they definitely want the cash. They are the first band that I can remember being sponsored (Budweiser, I believe)>

[CanOfCorn]

When people make money, they spend it. So the guy in Malibu with the mansion has a huge mortgage, a summer home in Aspen, expensive cars, service staff, agents, etc, and when his stream of income declines, he still has bills to pay. If he didn't take care in financial planning, he's screwed. That's why "celebrities" go on reality shows and take parts in bad movies. That's why they go to card signings, etc. It's because they've grown used to the lavish life, and they want to maintain it.

 

The Stones are a great example of a band that "sold out" many years ago. Their new music hasn't been relevant for 30 years, and they trade on their name to fill arenas. "Satisfaction," "Start Me Up," and some others from their catalog are regularly used in movies, tv, and commercials. I've heard that they're great in concert, but I wouldn't exactly say that they aren't in it for the money at this point. That doesn't mean they don't enjoy it, but they definitely want the cash. They are the first band that I can remember being sponsored (Budweiser, I believe)>

 

How does one explain the enigma that is Samuel L. Jackson? For every "The Negotiator," "Pulp Fiction," and "Unbreakable," there's a "Snakes on a Plane," "Sphere" and "xXx: State of the Union."

 

I mean, he's done some FANTASTIC movies. And some absolutely AWFUL ones.

[FlaSoxxJim]

How does one explain the enigma that is Samuel L. Jackson? For every "The Negotiator," "Pulp Fiction," and "Unbreakable," there's a "Snakes on a Plane," "Sphere" and "xXx: State of the Union."

 

I mean, he's done some FANTASTIC movies. And some absolutely AWFUL ones.

 

I don't know Sam's take on it, but I liken it to Michael Cain's approach to filmmaking. He has had some great roles in some great films, and he's also been in some real turkeys. And he has nearly 140 films under his belt since he first started out in film in the mid-1950s. When asked why he wasn't more selective about the roles he took, Cain says proudly that he's nevver turned down a part if he can fit it into his schedule. He grew up in working class London and has a very workingclass attitude toward acting. He's grateful to have the talent to be an actor rather than a ditchdigger, and for him an actor should be spending his time acting rather than waiting for the perfect role that might never come.

[Texsox]

I guess the old man should jump in and defend another old guy.

 

Ozzy is an entertainer, always has been. He is still entertaining the best way he can. If it's whoring now, it was whoring then. Why we expect artists to starve for their art, and businessmen to prosper, is beyond my comprehension. He isn't going to offer the same act from 30+ years ago, or else everyone will call him a washed up has been that doesn't know when to quit. Instead he reinvented himself and again is offering entertainment to people who eat it up.

 

Perhaps some people think he should just disappear, but he has a lot of years left and if wants to remain an entertainer, I say go for it.

[Texsox]

I don't know Sam's take on it, but I liken it to Michael Cain's approach to filmmaking. He has had some great roles in some great films, and he's also been in some real turkeys. And he has nearly 140 films under his belt since he first started out in film in the mid-1950s. When asked why he wasn't more selective about the roles he took, Cain says proudly that he's nevver turned down a part if he can fit it into his schedule. He grew up in working class London and has a very workingclass attitude toward acting. He's grateful to have the talent to be an actor rather than a ditchdigger, and for him an actor should be spending his time acting rather than waiting for the perfect role that might never come.

 

Gene Hackman said about the same thing when asked if he was becoming overexposed.

 

I sometimes think audiences believe artists can take great reviews and applause to the supermarket and exchange them for food.

[CanOfCorn]

Gene Hackman said about the same thing when asked if he was becoming overexposed.

 

I sometimes think audiences believe artists can take great reviews and applause to the supermarket and exchange them for food.

 

You can't? Is that why Angelina Jolie is so thin now?