Vazquez & Logan Dealt to Braves

[harfman77]

So now:

 

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

A half season of ??? (Contreras MIA)

???

 

I don't know about just plugging in the two we had spot start for us at the end of the year. If this is in fact the much talked about rebuild, we have seen teams in the past compete whilst doing so. Danks and Floyd were great this past year, but sophomore slump/flash in the pan are coined phrases for a reason. Not saying they were flukes, but how many in the past have had one damn good year and then dropped off? I have faith in the two, but you are now, at this point at least, going into the season with one proven starter. On that same note we have Ramirez and Quentin. Not saying, just saying...

 

It's nice to speculate..."and what if we got Bailey, what a sick rotation that would be, even though he had a solid 8 ERA in the NL Central...", "dude, Pittsburgh has this disgusting nasty flamethrower in low A ball that we just highway robbered them for...". Firstly, with some of these guys we're talking years away, secondly, Coop is great, but him being here doesn't guarantee that whatever once highly touted fallen star prospect for another organization will suddenly see the light under his tutelage. Did Vazquez or Logan see the light? Reclamation projects are great when there are fall back options. There are no fall back options. (sign sheets!)

 

I'd rather not roll my dice in the futures market. I realize our position may be limited, but someone who's just about Major League ready to throw a ball with results, or an on the cheap vet (Sheets for example) needs to come our way. Words like "ace" shouldn't be attatched to a pitcher after one good season. There's nothing wrong with acquiring "years away" guys by chance, but I'm not a fan of making those players our sole targets. With Dye being rumored to leave, what did we get for Swisher who was coming off an all time low value-wise? Nothing at all? Betemit? For F***S sake... Baseball will be played in Chicago between the years of 2009-2012, after all. Had Swisher not been thrown away, the loss of Dye, should it happen, would have been more easily absorbed. Now, who's going to step into this corner outfield position to replace 50+ HR's? I hope to Christ it's Manny, because Betemit is good for like 4 or 5. I remember long periods of offensive struggle in the past two years. Losing arguably the biggest producer and one who had potential to be a big producer is not the remedy to this.

 

Luckily, it's just 12/02 and the action is just getting started. I imagine we won't go into next year with a 1-3 man rotation and 75 fewer HR's. I imagine and pray.

 

It may not seem like I like the trade from the words written above, but I do, at least this one. Javy was frustrating to watch, and clearly ties were severed between him and the organization from about September on. He needed to leave, and this is what I mean by acquiring years off guys by chance. I think with the Dye talks floating around I'm pissed that we let go of Swisher coming of the lowest of lows career production wise for a Wilson Betemit. And then they want to add the slugger Taveras to boot.

 

I think that Marquez will likely be slotted in the rotation heading into ST and given every opportunity to succeed. He was a first round pick (comp) who has battled some injury problems but has the potential to put it all together if he can stay healthy. I think that Marquez could really make an impact in the rotation next season and be a big surprise. I am concerned next season about Floyd and Danks, I think that any year that young starters pitch into the playoffs, especially the way they were handled the last month of the season, they are going to hit an extended wall at some point the next season., so we will need some depth to help get those two some rest next year. Richard could be an option, Poreda is not ready to be a starter yet with his limited arsenal, and Broadway would be the other option at this point. Maybe we pick something up in the Rule 5 draft? Speaking of, this trade clears a spot on the 40 man roster.

[RudyLawRules]

Hmmm..are they disappointed in getting Javy or giving up the prospects?

 

Do you like the Braves' trade for Javier Vazquez?

Yes 40.65% 2337

No 59.35% 3412

 

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/index.html

[caulfield12]

I think that Marquez will likely be slotted in the rotation heading into ST and given every opportunity to succeed. He was a first round pick (comp) who has battled some injury problems but has the potential to put it all together if he can stay healthy. I think that Marquez could really make an impact in the rotation next season and be a big surprise. I am concerned next season about Floyd and Danks, I think that any year that young starters pitch into the playoffs, especially the way they were handled the last month of the season, they are going to hit an extended wall at some point the next season., so we will need some depth to help get those two some rest next year. Richard could be an option, Poreda is not ready to be a starter yet with his limited arsenal, and Broadway would be the other option at this point. Maybe we pick something up in the Rule 5 draft? Speaking of, this trade clears a spot on the 40 man roster.

 

 

Carrasco and Egbert also have an outside chance at figuring in...has anyone seen any updates at all on the progress of Contreras in his comeback? Perhaps they will try to get Russell back to starting again, although that seems a bit of a longshot at this point.

[daa84]

Cowley was on the score earlier and said he has to believe that this is a precursor to another move...didnt really say what it could be, but he thinks it got done before the winter meetings for a reason, so that KW can go there and execute some sort of plan

[joejoesox]

Cowley was on the score earlier and said he has to believe that this is a precursor to another move...didnt really say what it could be, but he thinks it got done before the winter meetings for a reason, so that KW can go there and execute some sort of plan

 

He mentioned a deal for Hudson wouldn't surprise him

 

I can't fathom why we'd want to block Beckham for a few years..

[Steve9347]

Hmmm..are they disappointed in getting Javy or giving up the prospects?

 

 

 

http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/index.html

I voted yes.

[Steve9347]

KW is like an OOTP GM.

 

Now if the Sox could just trade Josh Fields so I don't have to think about that f***up anymore, my offseason will be starting very very well.

[NCsoxfan]

Tyler Flowers - C Braves - DOB: 01/24/86

.288/.427/.494, 17 HR, 88 RBI, 102/98 K/BB, 8 SB in 413 AB (A+ Myrtle Beach)

.387/.460/.973, 12 HR, 23 RBI, 22/10 K/BB, 0 SB in 75 AB (AFL)

 

It's too bad he's probably not a catcher. Flowers tested positive for PEDs in 2006 and totaled 12 homers in 106 games in low-A ball in 2007, but the Braves still liked his power potential, and he made everyone take notice when he smacked 12 homers in just 75 at-bats in the Arizona Fall League after a nice season at Myrtle Beach in 2008. The former 33rd-round pick would seem to have legitimate 30-homer potential, and he also showed great on-base skills in the Carolina League. Defense is a problem. Flowers has a slightly below average arm and struggles to block balls in the dirt. He might be able to cut it as a first baseman if he has to move, but the Braves think fellow prospect Freddie Freeman is their long-term answer there. It's possible that Flowers will turn into trade bait. He could potentially go to All-Star Games if he lasts behind the plate.

[caulfield12]

KW is like an OOTP GM.

 

Now if the Sox could just trade Josh Fields so I don't have to think about that f***up anymore, my offseason will be starting very very well.

 

 

Casey Blake wants $20 million for 3 years at age 35.

 

Beltre would cost us a ton. We don't know how good Atkins and Kouzmanoff would be transitioning from the NL, particularly from Coors Field.

 

That leaves us Betemit/Viciedo as the starters...not sure that's such a good idea. Not to mention we already bought high and sold fairly low on Swisher, we should probably hold on for at least Spring Training and see what he can do and whether it would be wise to trade him or not. He might be SOMEWHAT in Ozzie's doghouse, but not like Swisher, Logan and Vazquez were. I wonder if a BA trade is next, lol?

Edited December 3, 2008 by caulfield12

[Steve9347]

That leaves us Betemit/Viciedo as the starters...not sure that's such a good idea. Not to mention we already bought high and sold fairly low on Swisher, we should probably hold on for at least Spring Training and see what he can do and whether it would be wise to trade him or not. He might be SOMEWHAT in Ozzie's doghouse, but not like Swisher, Logan and Vazquez were. I wonder if a BA trade is next, lol?

I'd rather see Betemit starting than Josh Fields.

 

Seriously.

[Dick Allen]

He mentioned a deal for Hudson wouldn't surprise him

 

I can't fathom why we'd want to block Beckham for a few years..

Beckham can play 3b and SS as well. Ramirez can play CF. When Beckham is ready, the White Sox are going to play him. He's not Jerry Owens or Danny Richar or even Josh Fields. He is light years above them as a prospect.

Edited December 3, 2008 by Dick Allen

[caulfield12]

I'd rather see Betemit starting than Josh Fields.

 

Seriously.

 

You've seen his career splits, LH and RH, yes?

 

He would be acceptable as part of a platoon, but probably not as an everyday player. Of course, the same was said of Alexei Ramirez, too, before 2008. Maybe, just maybe, he'll finally unlock his long overhyped potential with the Sox. Who knows...?

 

[harfman77]

I read in one of the articles that Lilli played two seasons of CF at Washington, so it would not be that much of a learning curve for him. I dont think that the Missile is a good option for CF, he never really looked comfortable out there, he was more confident and fluid in the IF.

 

 

 

[Steve9347]

You've seen his career splits, LH and RH, yes?

 

He would be acceptable as part of a platoon, but probably not as an everyday player. Of course, the same was said of Alexei Ramirez, too, before 2008. Maybe, just maybe, he'll finally unlock his long overhyped potential with the Sox. Who knows...?

Betemit vs righties, Fields vs lefties could wind up being a potentially deadly, powerful platoon.

 

That doesn't play defense...

[scenario]

Beckham can play 3b and SS as well. Ramirez can play CF. When Beckham is ready, the White Sox are going to play him. He's not Jerry Owens or Danny Richar or even Josh Fields. He is light years above them as a prospect.

 

Here's a quote from a mlb.com article yesterday I found interesting...

 

"I would doubt that I would start on [or] make the [Major League] club (in 2009)," Beckham said on a conference call Tuesday afternoon. "[The White Sox] said as soon as I go back to Minor League ball I will be playing shortstop every day until they want to bring me up."

 

 

[caulfield12]

Here's a quote from a mlb.com article yesterday I found interesting...

 

"I would doubt that I would start on [or] make the [Major League] club (in 2009)," Beckham said on a conference call Tuesday afternoon. "[The White Sox] said as soon as I go back to Minor League ball I will be playing shortstop every day until they want to bring me up."

 

 

Well, I guess it's always better to keep him at the position (if he can play it adequately) where he has the highest possible value...just like Lillibridge.

 

I suppose some quotes might come out from Lillibridge about him dusting off his outfielder's glove again...or maybe playing somewhere in Winter Ball (late addition) if the White Sox can arrange it with a host team.

[RockRaines]

Cowley was on the score earlier and said he has to believe that this is a precursor to another move...didnt really say what it could be, but he thinks it got done before the winter meetings for a reason, so that KW can go there and execute some sort of plan

Cowley gets alot of his trade info from message boards, Im pretty sure he got that from here.

[Dick Allen]

Steve Stone, in his blog, said a couple weeks ago after the Swisher trade, 2 trades and 2 acquisitions. He also mentioned fans would be surprised. I don't think there is any surprise Vazquez is gone. Dye, maybe a little surprise before all the rumors started. Considering the White Sox haven't paid more than $20 million total for a FA in 12 years, since Albert Belle signed in 12/96, the shock probably is the players in free agency they are targeting.

[Steve9347]

Steve Stone, in his blog, said a couple weeks ago after the Swisher trade, 2 trades and 2 acquisitions. He also mentioned fans would be surprised. I don't think there is any surprise Vazquez is gone. Dye, maybe a little surprise before all the rumors started. Considering the White Sox haven't paid more than $20 million total for a FA in 12 years, since Albert Belle signed in 12/96, the shock probably is the players in free agency they are targeting.

They are going to move Dye and sign Manny.

[RockRaines]

I read in one of the articles that Lilli played two seasons of CF at Washington, so it would not be that much of a learning curve for him. I dont think that the Missile is a good option for CF, he never really looked comfortable out there, he was more confident and fluid in the IF.

Lilli is a plus plus defender at SS, KW acquired him in this deal in case Alexei cannot handle SS full time. I wouldnt think KW would move Lilli to CF.

[RockRaines]

They are going to move Dye and sign Manny.

You really think a bat is what they are after when there are two glaring holes in the rotation? One of those holes will be filled.

[Leonard Zelig]

You really think a bat is what they are after when there are two glaring holes in the rotation? One of those holes will be filled.

 

Via trade or FA?

[caulfield12]

You really think a bat is what they are after when there are two glaring holes in the rotation? One of those holes will be filled.

 

 

Who is the girl in the picture with the Sox hat on?

[RockRaines]

Via trade or FA?

There are two holes that need to be filled currently. One is a lead off hitter, the other is another "proven" starter for the 4th spot in the rotation, most likely a RHP. One of those acquisitions will be a FA and the other via trade. Now its just down to mathematical elimination of targets. Of course the trade is most likely one that hasnt been reported yet.

[iamshack]

Tim Brown over at Yahoo is saying Thome and Konerko are available as well...

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-v...o&type=lgns