Kalapse Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 07:46 PM) Oswalt scares me. That ERA has been rising the last 4 years, and that HR total made a pretty big jump last year. Still a solid pitcher, but probably not the best investment, given the cost. A fluctuation of .20 in ERA over a 3 year span isn't really a trend, I'd call it consistency. Last year his K/9 was the highest it had been since 2004, his WHIP was the 2nd lowest he's posted in a 30+ start season, the velocity on his fastball was the same as it's been since '06 (~92.7 MPH), he was actually inducing a good amount of groundballs (2nd highest GB% of his career) and yet his HR/FB was by far the highest of his career last season (more than 2/3 of the 23 HR he gave up last season came at home). He also had a 32 2/3 innings scoreless streak going at the end of the season which included back to back complete game shutouts, 1 of which took place in Denver and a 8 1/3 scoreless performance at Wrigley. So he definitely showed some incredible dominance. I don't see anything in the numbers that indicates he's starting to lose it. If the price weren't too obscene I'd probably invest in him. He's a hell of a workhorse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:05 PM) A fluctuation of .20 in ERA over a 3 year span isn't really a trend, I'd call it consistency. Last year his K/9 was the highest it had been since 2004, his WHIP was the 2nd lowest he's posted in a 30+ start season, the velocity on his fastball was the same as it's been since '06 (~92.7 MPH), he was actually inducing a good amount of groundballs (2nd highest GB% of his career) and yet his HR/FB was by far the highest of his career last season (more than 2/3 of the 23 HR he gave up last season came at home). He also had a 32 2/3 innings scoreless streak going at the end of the season which included back to back complete game shutouts, 1 of which took place in Denver and a 8 1/3 scoreless performance at Wrigley. So he definitely showed some incredible dominance. I don't see anything in the numbers that indicates he's starting to lose it. If the price weren't too obscene I'd probably invest in him. He's a hell of a workhorse. Booyah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 07:58 PM) *Sox trade Dye for Edwin Jackson *Sox sign Adam Dunn *I agree on the McClouth deal. Poreda, Anderson, and Broadway gets dealt. McClouth CF Ramirez SS Quentin RF Thome DH Dunn LF Konerko 1B Pierzynski C Fields 3b Getz 2b Rotation: Buerhle, Floyd, Danks, Jackson, Richard/Marquez Shibby!! Worst team defense the Sox have ever had? Has to be the worst in baseball, easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 1.) McClouth isn't a leadoff hitter. 2.) He's not that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 07:51 PM) he's also been pitching in the powerhouse that is the NL Central for years too. Oswalt scares the hell out of me and I want really nothing to do with him. Halladay is an entirely different story and he'd be quite a haul. Of the starters with at least 150 IP in the NL last year Roy Oswalt was among the top 45% in Quality of Opponent (OPS), top 35% in '07, #6 out of 52 in 2005, #10 out of 47 in '04 and #20 out of 65 in '03 (120 IP). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Konerko to Red Sox or Angels (loser of Teixeira signing) for a SP and a minor leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 05:34 PM) Konerko to Red Sox or Angels (loser of Teixeira signing) for a SP and a minor leaguer. Who plays 1b? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Viciedo or Fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Brian Roberts, Lastings Milledge, Ricky Nolasco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 In his conference call today, KW said he is right at the break even point now as far as payroll is concerned. That's scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 02:44 AM) In his conference call today, KW said he is right at the break even point now as far as payroll is concerned. That's scary. Agreed, if he's not bluffing, we're looking at a tough 2009. I can't believe how much stock is being put in Lillibridge, Marquez, and Nix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:46 PM) Agreed, if he's not bluffing, we're looking at a tough 2009. I can't believe how much stock is being put in Lillibridge, Marquez, and Nix. If he isn't bluffing, I hope OC accepts arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 07:07 PM) Worst team defense the Sox have ever had? Has to be the worst in baseball, easy. yep... all offense....and still not enough speed. but during KWs conference call, he didn't mention anything about getting more speed. just that he is going to 'focus on the OF'. McClouth is on the rise in his young career... who knows what the hell he is going to do next. I really hope he is wrong that we 'broke even' as far as payroll. Because if thats the case, i expect Dye to be traded for sure.... Steve Stone said it best earlier today "its better to trade a guy a year early, than a year late" If we get another 2007 version of JD than KW will likely get nothing for him if he sits on his hands this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 With little knowledge of money, I'd say the blockbuster (if there is one) will be for Beltran. Or possibly a minor deal with Flubs for Fukudome. I don't sense we'll deal for DeJesus. Royals don't want to face him 18 times. Don't know what to think about the ever-present (on this board) possiblity of Roberts or Figgins. I'd say no. I'd think we'd sign a veteran free agent starter but I haven't scanned the list. We need an inning eater!! Is Garland still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilmot825 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I heard on the score today around 4:30 a interview with Kenny in which he said that this team now is the one going to spring training. He then said unless he gets a solid #1 or #2 pitcher Dye would be traded, otherwise Dye stays. It might just be a smoke-screen but who knows. Predicting Kenny is almost impossible. So I'm not going to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I heard on the score today around 4:30 a interview with Kenny in which he said that this team now is the one going to spring training. He then said unless he gets a solid #1 or #2 pitcher Dye would be traded bahahhahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Dye and Poreda to the Dogers for Kemp and Furcal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 02:21 AM) Dye and Poreda to the Dogers for Kemp and Furcal. except that Furcal is a free agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 The Sox send Jermaine Dye to the Reds for their much touted pitching prospect Jack Meehoffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 02:32 AM) bahahhahaha KW's idea of a 1 or 2 is different than most people's idea. He'll take 1 or 2 potential. Last year he called Floyd and Danks 1 and 2...and everyone laughed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Jenks to the Cardinals for Rasmus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (striker62704 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 08:03 PM) Jenks to the Cardinals for Rasmus. Of course I could also see the Cardinals holding onto Rasmus and letting Ankiel walk after 2009 opening a spot for Rasmus. They still have a bullpen need though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 08:03 AM) KW's idea of a 1 or 2 is different than most people's idea. He'll take 1 or 2 potential. Last year he called Floyd and Danks 1 and 2...and everyone laughed. He called Gio a #1 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Kenny Williams will go under the radar to get a guy who hasn't lived up to his high potential in a classic Kenny buy low move and Coop will then fix this player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 05:59 PM) They finally break down and sign CC! No way we carry 4 lefties in the rotation. Buehrle, Danks....richard/poreda...and CC?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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