Wise Master Buehrle Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index...%3djayson_stark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 They might try and make him a hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) • The Giants aren't the only team interested in Florida's Jorge Cantu. There are indications the White Sox also have gotten involved. This isn't threadworthy... but what does everyone think of Cantu? edit- that tidbit is in the link Edited December 5, 2008 by DukeNukeEm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) They might try and make him a hitter. That would be my guess, I know he was a stud hitter at Kent State. Wasn't he a top 10 overall pick in the first round as well? Typical KW move. Edited December 5, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:54 AM) This isn't threadworthy... but what does everyone think of Cantu? Terrible fielder, slower than hell, pretty good hitter....and I don't trust for one second that he's PED clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Cantu's a pretty mediocre option (I like the term "not threadworthy") but if he'd come as cheap as Wilingham and Olsen, then come along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:57 AM) Cantu's a pretty mediocre option (I like the term "not threadworthy") but if he'd come as cheap as Wilingham and Olsen, then come along. He won't...they asked for Jonathan Sanchez for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 03:59 AM) He won't...they asked for Jonathan Sanchez for him. Well, this is the perfect time to convince some poor team that Lance Broadway was worth a first round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 09:52 PM) They might try and make him a hitter. Agreed, he was a fantastic hitter coming out of school, and the Pirates made a profound mistake trying to turn him into a pitcher. He's experienced some sucess in that role, but has very limited periods of actual control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:52 PM) They might try and make him a hitter. rotoworld said his shoulders are so f***ed up that he probably won't make it I would believe it though, just because it's worth a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Here are some of his college hitting stats for those interested. I'll give you a tip they're awesome. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/V/j...enschoten.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 guy was a helluva college player...pirates had thoughts of rick ankieling him and as fathom said i wouldnt doubt if we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 How could you ever think of turning a guy who hits 31 homers during his last college seasion into a pitcher? Especially, when you think of the offensive talent that the Pirates had back in 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 11:56 PM) How could you ever think of turning a guy who hits 31 homers during his last college seasion into a pitcher? Especially, when you think of the offensive talent that the Pirates had back in 2001. it wasnt 31 HR ....but check out tim hudsons college #s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (daa84 @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 10:59 PM) it wasnt 31 HR ....but check out tim hudsons college #s The difference between Hudson and JVB in my mind was that despite JVP being a closer he always had very raw stuff. Now, Hudson despite also being a great hitter was far more advanced as a pitcher in college then JVB was. I think that fact that one of them was drafted by the Athletics has a lot to do with it, because the A’s at the time were just getting out of the Kenny Rogers era, and were looking for a well-developed pitcher. And pretty sure JVB hits 31 homers in his junior year Kent State AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB 225 74 99 17 6 31 84 23 2 55 Edited December 5, 2008 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Many scouts liked him more as a hitting prospect out of college than a pitching prospect. Clearly he's a bit of a project but he has a ton of raw offensive ability and could very well develop into a viable offensive prospect in two years time (albeit he'd be old). Still, its a low risk move and one I like a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilmot825 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 This guy's signing made as much noise as a popcorn fart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 10:06 PM) The difference between Hudson and JVB in my mind was that despite JVP being a closer he always had very raw stuff. Now, Hudson despite also being a great hitter was far more advanced as a pitcher in college then JVB was. I think that fact that one of them was drafted by the Athletics has a lot to do with it, because the A’s at the time were just getting out of the Kenny Rogers era, and were looking for a well-developed pitcher. And pretty sure JVB hits 31 homers in his junior year Kent State AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB 225 74 99 17 6 31 84 23 2 55 He also played for Kent State, as opposed to playing at Auburn like Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 If the sox are interested in Cantu, it's more likely for 1b than 3b. The sox may be looking to deal Konerko then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Jeez, look at his junior year. Those are just absurd numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 05:30 AM) If the sox are interested in Cantu, it's more likely for 1b than 3b. The sox may be looking to deal Konerko then. Maybe, but the Sox could play him at 3rd in 2009 and move him to 1st in 2010 when Konerko moves to DH. Viciedo could be the new outfielder to replace Dye so he could be traded for pitching instead of another outfielder. Beckham could play 3rd in 2010. Sox have many options for 2nd and Alexei at SS. Or Furcal gets signed. Right now Cantu is a safer bet than Fields. I think Cantu will strike out less, hit for higher average, have comparable power and D, and he has never talked about quitting baseball to my knowledge. Cantu would also be more consistent since he can hit both right and left hading pitching decently (career .269 avg vs L .277 vs Rhp). 29 Hr 95 rbi and .277 in Florida could improve to 32, 105, and .285 in Chicago. I like Fields, but I'd feel more confident in the Sox chances with Cantu. Cantu is less than a year older than Fields. This could be a good deal for Fla and Fields as well. Fields may benefit from a change of scenery and maybe Florida could fix a few flaws and he will be good for them. I'm not confident that Walker is going to be able to get Fields to strike out less than once per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 08:57 PM) Cantu's a pretty mediocre option (I like the term "not threadworthy") but if he'd come as cheap as Wilingham and Olsen, then come along. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 In the offseason, everything is threadworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 So do we know that Van Benschoten is being signed as a hitter, or is this all speculation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoarow Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 according to rotoworld it says he will NOT be a hitter. He said he will refuse to try that option. Prob. because that awesome 9 era he has sported in his career lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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