caulfield12 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...rtnerId=rss_cws Now there's even an article up at the White Sox site, based on the ESPN "rumor." Too funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Maybe Kenny is going to flip Cantu to the Padres for Jake Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (R.J. @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 09:38 AM) Maybe Kenny is going to flip Cantu to the Padres for Jake Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Cole Armstrong expendable? Flowers will never wear a catcher's mask in a White Sox uniform so what the hell is Stark talkin' about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:09 AM) Cole Armstrong expendable? Flowers will never wear a catcher's mask in a White Sox uniform so what the hell is Stark talkin' about? KW seems to think that Flowers will be an all-star catcher... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:09 AM) Cole Armstrong expendable? Flowers will never wear a catcher's mask in a White Sox uniform so what the hell is Stark talkin' about? And you think this why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:35 AM) And you think this why? He is young and has a lot of room to improve defensively, however he's already played some 1B for the Brave's in A-ball He's also 6'4, 250+ pounds, I'd have a hard time believing his ultimate destination is anywhere else than 1B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 oh look another poster making another unsubstantiated decision. KW must have alot of clones arond the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:37 AM) He is young and has a lot of room to improve defensively, however he's already played some 1B for the Brave's in A-ball He's also 6'4, 250+ pounds, I'd have a hard time believing his ultimate destination is anywhere else than 1B KW has no problem having a mediocre to bad defensive catcher in AJ, why would he care if Flowers is mediocre to bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 11:35 AM) And you think this why? Even he essentially said that. He's glad to be moving to the AL where there's a DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) KW has no problem having a mediocre to bad defensive catcher in AJ, why would he care if Flowers is mediocre to bad? Mediocre to bad in the pros is not the same as mediocre to bad in A-ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 01:28 PM) Even he essentially said that. He's glad to be moving to the AL where there's a DH. Which may enable him to get to the bigs a year or so faster than if he were in the NL and could only play catcher or 1B. 3 ways to reach the bigs is better than 2, that's the way I took those comments. Not to mention the fact that with his old team he was blocked by the 2nd best young catcher in the game and Casey Kotchman. That's a rough path to the majors right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) Even he essentially said that. He's glad to be moving to the AL where there's a DH. Only reason he said that was, not because he was a poor defensive catcher but, because he was blocked by McCann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) Keep in mind with Flowers' defensive deficiencies that 2008 was his first full minor league season as a catcher. Chances are pretty good he'll look better after two full seasons as a catcher. Edited December 5, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 You know, I know this kind of rumor is good for this site, but come on guys. This is 100 percent BULLs*** When does Kenny make a deal just to make a deal. With the informed folks on this site I would think we could see through this "hmmm, maybe the White Sox want a 3B to take over for Crede" BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
103 mph screwball Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) You know, I know this kind of rumor is good for this site, but come on guys. This is 100 percent BULLs*** When does Kenny make a deal just to make a deal. With the informed folks on this site I would think we could see through this "hmmm, maybe the White Sox want a 3B to take over for Crede" BS. Something to talk about Rock. I'm so hungry for baseball, I'm hitting refresh waiting for KW's next move. I hear the MLB network is starting soon. Maybe that would feed my baseball need and I won't have to break down Cantu's splits based on a baseless rumor from Stark. Besides, haven't ever had the urge to compare third base defensive stats between Fields and Cantu during their first major league season? I need an inside source so I can have "hunches". Edited December 5, 2008 by 103 mph screwball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaseballNick Posted December 5, 2008 Author Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) You know, I know this kind of rumor is good for this site, but come on guys. This is 100 percent BULLs*** When does Kenny make a deal just to make a deal. With the informed folks on this site I would think we could see through this "hmmm, maybe the White Sox want a 3B to take over for Crede" BS. This wouldn't be a move for the sake of making a move. Cantu posted solid numbers last season, and while he's due for a raise, it's not going to be anything too obscene. We have legitimate concerns about 3B since Fields was/is hurt and unproductive last year. Ozzie never seemed too confident in Fields anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 01:03 PM) This wouldn't be a move for the sake of making a move. Cantu posted solid numbers last season, and while he's due for a raise, it's not going to be anything too obscene. We have legitimate concerns about 3B since Fields was/is hurt and unproductive last year. Ozzie never seemed too confident in Fields anyway. Fields will get the first shot, and we have two other players behind him competing. Its not a legit rumor at this point, just throwing crap against the wall on Stark's part IMO. It could also be someone saying Kenny's name to drive up the trade price for Cantu since they havent been pleased with the offers so far. Either way, I call BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I think you're all missing the most important consequence of trading for Cantu. It would give Nancy Faust dramatically more opportunities to play "Anything you Cantu I Cantu better". Make the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Josh Fields could be Jorge Cantu with more power but he'll strike out a lot more and likely not have as high an average. Most importantly, Josh Fields can play 3B and DH and likely 1B. You have Thome/Konerko and guys like Brandon Allen, Viciedo (if he can't keep his weight down), potentially Flowers, etc. all who are/can be DH and 1B. Cantu can play 3B, 2B, 1B, OF and is a known commodity (at least .270 AVG, 20+ HR, 75+ RBI) and only a year or less older than Josh. If it were just Cole Armstrong for Cantu, why wouldn't you take a shot and have Cantu play LF if Josh shows something at 3B. This allows for flexibility in trading Dye (Quentin to RF) or Konerko (Cantu, Fields, etc playing 1B) and getting another young, potentially stud pitcher for the rotation or a lead-off man/CF such as Figgins. With Buehrle locked in the rotation for a few years along with Danks and Richard, you might see a package of Fields, Poreda/Richard, Shelby and Anderson going to the Orioles for Roberts. It'll make us competitive this year and then give us two picks at the end of the season, in which to replace the value (Poreda/Richard and Shelby) that we gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 Last year was Cantu's first good offensive season since 2005. You are also buying very high on him as well. He's also not very good defensively anywhere he plays, so saying he can play 2B is virtually like saying Josh Fields can play 2B, so I don't even consider that. I also wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Sox future catching combo is already in the organization in Flowers/Armstrong, and that's something to consider. The Sox obviously value Armstrong in some fashion, as I believe Ozzie has given him rave reviews before and they sent him to the AFL. If it's to trade, then so be it, but there's something there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (heirdog @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 01:21 PM) With Buehrle locked in the rotation for a few years along with Danks and Richard, you might see a package of Fields, Poreda/Richard, Shelby and Anderson going to the Orioles for Roberts. It'll make us competitive this year and then give us two picks at the end of the season, in which to replace the value (Poreda/Richard and Shelby) that we gave up. If you want Brian Roberts, you most likely would have to deal Alexei. It could possibly bite you in the ass if he improves upon this season, but that is probably the best trading chip to get a player like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 I don't think you can use the phrase "buying high" when it comes to dealing with the Marlins. They trade to dump salary and take less talent in return. If anything, when the Marlins want to dump salary, it's always buying low. If you can buy Marlins-price for Cantu now and he replicates last season, you have a somewhat valuable trading chip next year when Viciedo may be ready to step in. Take advantage of the fact most teams are dumping payroll this year. I would like a Cantu deal if it was meant to be a 1 year stop gap for Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) I don't think you can use the phrase "buying high" when it comes to dealing with the Marlins. They trade to dump salary and take less talent in return. If anything, when the Marlins want to dump salary, it's always buying low. If you can buy Marlins-price for Cantu now and he replicates last season, you have a somewhat valuable trading chip next year when Viciedo may be ready to step in. Take advantage of the fact most teams are dumping payroll this year. I would like a Cantu deal if it was meant to be a 1 year stop gap for Viciedo. It's nice to think that, but that assumes that the Marlins scouts aren't better than yours. If the Marlins know your system better than yours, then while they're dumping expensive contracts, say something like Josh Beckett, they also find guys like Hanley Ramirez who wind up tearing up the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 5, 2008 Share Posted December 5, 2008 People seem to think that Cole Armstrong is a small price to pay, but I really could see him turning into a mediocre starting catcher for 6 years, which is really a pretty big price to pay with the organization's struggles in developing catchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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