whitesoxfan101 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) We are gonna lose bailey to another deal-while Rome burns & Nero (KW) fiddles It has happened to him before-for all the kudos he gets about making deals, he also has procrastinated himself out of players he has wanted in the past Well good! Bailey is f***ing trash, so if the Sox don't get him for Dye straight up, we'll be very lucky. HOPEFULLY there is a better offer out there for Dye that we can take, and then sign Abreu. Edited December 11, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Ahh, how I missed soxtalk hyperbole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:41 PM) Ahh, how I missed soxtalk hyperbole. Well of course "f***ing trash" is hyperbole, but Homer Bailey is not very good. It absolutely astonishes me that ANYBODY smart enough to be a White Sox fan would have positive thoughts about a potential deal like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) Well of course "f***ing trash" is hyperbole, but Homer Bailey is not very good. It absolutely astonishes me that ANYBODY smart enough to be a White Sox fan would have positive thoughts about a potential deal like this one. Are you kidding me? This guy at one time was a top prospect, just like Joe Borchard. You have to ignore any bad he's had in his career. Trading a guy you can almost guarantee will hit 30 homers and drive in 90 runs for someone like this is a steal. Just look at KW's record. Every former top prospect bust he's acquired turns out like Gavin Floyd. They will teach him a cutter and he'll be unhittable. Edited December 11, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) Well of course "f***ing trash" is hyperbole, but Homer Bailey is not very good. It absolutely astonishes me that ANYBODY smart enough to be a White Sox fan would have positive thoughts about a potential deal like this one. Ah, so now we can determine how good a top prospect in the baseball world is by the time he is 22. Dye for Bailey+ 2 other prospects is an absolute steal for the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) Ah, so now we can determine how good a top prospect in the baseball world is by the time he is 22. Dye for Bailey+ 2 other prospects is an absolute steal for the White Sox. What he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 08:45 PM) Well of course "f***ing trash" is hyperbole, but Homer Bailey is not very good. It absolutely astonishes me that ANYBODY smart enough to be a White Sox fan would have positive thoughts about a potential deal like this one. I've been around as a sox fan long enough to know that unqualified statements like these generally make the poster look foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:49 PM) Ah, so now we can determine how good a top prospect in the baseball world is by the time he is 22. Dye for Bailey+ 2 other prospects is an absolute steal for the White Sox. Aren't you being hypocritical? If you can't tell a guy isn't going to live up to the hype after he's been bad, how can you tell he's a steal if he hasn't been good? Although if they spent the money saved on Abreu or Furcal I think it would be a steal as it would be those prospects for basically nothing. Edited December 11, 2008 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) Are you kidding me? This guy at one time was a top prospect, just like Joe Borchard. You have to ignore any bad he's had in his career. Trading a guy you can almost guarantee will hit 30 homers and drive in 90 runs for someone like this is a steal. Just look at KW's record. Every former top prospect bust he's acquired turns out like Gavin Floyd. They will teach him a cutter and he'll be unhittable. What he said. QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:52 PM) I've been around as a sox fan long enough to know that unqualified statements like these generally make the poster look foolish. They aren't unqualified, I've seen the guy in person many times. If my statements end up wrong, they will just be wrong because I am wrong sometimes, as well we all are. My feelings on Bailey wouldn't be nearly as strong if I hadn't witnessed him pitch in person several times. Edited December 11, 2008 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) What he said. They aren't unqualified, I've seen the guy in person many times. If my statements end up wrong, they will just be wrong because I am wrong sometimes, as well we all are. My feelings on Bailey wouldn't be nearly as strong if I hadn't witnessed him pitch in person several times. You? Wrong? No way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) Aren't you being hypocritical? If you can't tell a guy isn't going to live up to the hype after he's been bad, how can you tell he's a steal if he hasn't been good? Although if they spent the money saved on Abreu or Furcal I think it would be a steal as it would be those prospects for basically nothing. Huh? I assume you were saying he has been bad, when all i see is success through every minor league level while rushed and an injury plagued major league stint. The kid is 22 years old, and has all the talent in the world. Check out his minor league numbers. As a 20 year old in AA he went 7-1 with a 1.59 ERA. As a 21 year old in AAA he had a 3.07 ERA. The Reds needed to rush the kid to the majors because their pitching was terrible and they needed someone to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:49 PM) Dye for Bailey+ 2 other prospects is an absolute steal for the White Sox. I there any hope for this still Rock? I don't know how you've become "an in the know member" of soxtalk all of a sudden... or maybe upon awakening from my coma I am still getting back up to speed. =) hah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:56 PM) They aren't unqualified, I've seen the guy in person many times. If my statements end up wrong, they will just be wrong because I am wrong sometimes, as well we all are. My feelings on Bailey wouldn't be nearly as strong if I hadn't witnessed him pitch in person several times. When did you see him exactly, what game and what level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) Are you kidding me? This guy at one time was a top prospect, just like Joe Borchard. You have to ignore any bad he's had in his career. Trading a guy you can almost guarantee will hit 30 homers and drive in 90 runs for someone like this is a steal. Just look at KW's record. Every former top prospect bust he's acquired turns out like Gavin Floyd. They will teach him a cutter and he'll be unhittable. Yes, we should never take a chance on another "failed" prospect again because Gavin Floyd was a once in a generation type luck situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:00 PM) When did you see him exactly, what game and what level? More importantly, when did he become a pro scout? lol. I've never seen a poster from a message board put so much stock into "Well, I saw him in person. I know for a fact he sucksssssssssss" as much as he is. Edited December 11, 2008 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) Well good! Bailey is f***ing trash, so if the Sox don't get him for Dye straight up, we'll be very lucky. HOPEFULLY there is a better offer out there for Dye that we can take, and then sign Abreu. Let's keep this at least respectful. There is really no need to call someone f***ing trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:04 PM) Let's keep this at least respectful. There is really no need to call someone f***ing trash. eh, its better to hear the reasoning behind the claim. I wish you would let us search member's posts again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:03 PM) More importantly, when did he become a pro scout? lol. I've never seen a poster from a message board put so much stock into "Well, I saw him in person. I know for a fact he sucksssssssssss" as much as he is. where is bureau, btw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) I wish you would let us search member's posts again. That and search the forum for old threads. [/hijack] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Not sure if this was posted. Sounds like what's holding up a deal is the Reds will give better prospects if the sox add cash with Dye. If I were the sox, i'd add cash so we get the better player in addition to Bailey. http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...1108spreds.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:32 PM) Not sure if this was posted. Sounds like what's holding up a deal is the Reds will give better prospects if the sox add cash with Dye. If I were the sox, i'd add cash so we get the better player in addition to Bailey. http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...1108spreds.html Great find, i'm keeping the faith on this deal for now. Also, for those who were wondering it looks like we have the 24th draft pick for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 QUOTE (beck72 @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:32 PM) Not sure if this was posted. Sounds like what's holding up a deal is the Reds will give better prospects if the sox add cash with Dye. If I were the sox, i'd add cash so we get the better player in addition to Bailey. http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...1108spreds.html That information has been out there for a couple days. Until we know what the market will be for FA outfielders, particularly Abreu, nothing is going to happen with this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 08:34 PM) Great find, i'm keeping the faith on this deal for now. Also, for those who were wondering it looks like we have the 24th draft pick for next year. I hope to God the Twins sign O-Cab. Getting the 23rd (Twins) and 24th draft picks would be pretty suhweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 Twins signed Punto today. I can't see them signing OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 12, 2008 Share Posted December 12, 2008 QUOTE (G&T @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 09:43 PM) That information has been out there for a couple days. Until we know what the market will be for FA outfielders, particularly Abreu, nothing is going to happen with this deal. I don't see Bobby Abreu signing with the Reds, regardless of whether or not they are interested in him (they need a righty bat, not a lefty bat) at this stage of his career. I would think he is ours for the taking if we do indeed get this Dye deal completed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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