Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-t...ns&expire=1 So the Angels plan to explore the trade potential for two White Sox players who already have been dangled by general manager Kenny Williams – outfielder Jermaine Dye and first baseman Paul Konerko. Seattle Mariners third baseman Adrian Beltre, who has one year left on a four-year, $64 million deal, is another possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) But most likely wont. As much as many are going to throw around Figgins name over and over and over. KW prob asks for pitching first. Edited December 11, 2008 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 (edited) Have to think Adenhart is off the block, but Weaver is a potential get. Kendry Morales should be available in a Paulie deal, and of course there is Figgins I guess. At this point I'd say no to Figgins and ask for prospects. Jordan Walden may be a target of KW. Edited December 11, 2008 by Kenny Hates Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 i really wish we had dealt crede for ervin santana when we had the chance. i wished at that time that the trade be completed... to no avail. when ervin was a rookie i saw him shut out the sox in a complete game at angels stadium. great game... i knew then he was gonna be good. i have a great eye for talent. thats why i want baley. =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 please close this thread, no more pipe dream angels talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) i really wish we had dealt crede for ervin santana when we had the chance. i wished at that time that the trade be completed... to no avail. when ervin was a rookie i saw him shut out the sox in a complete game at angels stadium. great game... i knew then he was gonna be good. i have a great eye for talent. thats why i want baley. =) I hoped for the same thing. There was a blurb in an article, I think by Phil Rogers so take it with a grain of salt, about Kenny denying Santana and Figgins for Crede. You always hear the expression (especially from Hawk) that "Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make." Well, that's a case where that saying holds true, just not in the intended fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 And either move him to 1B or one of the other high dollar OFs. Jesus...they take JD and that's over $50M in that outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 w sox want starting pitcher and i dont think angels are going to give that up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) Have to think Adenhart is off the block, but Weaver is a potential get. Kendry Morales should be available in a Paulie deal, and of course there is Figgins I guess. At this point I'd say no to Figgins and ask for prospects. Jordan Walden may be a target of KW. I would be willing to deal Paulie for a young starting pitcher and Kendry Morales. Weaver would be the most likely as I think the Angels like him the least out of the guys currently slated in the rotation. Adenhart is pretty valuable and I'd imagine he'd be untouchable but you might be able to get him if the Angels were desperate enough. Figgins could also be doable but he's older, relies on speed, has injury issues and is due to become a free agent so I think targeting a pitcher would make a bit more sense. You'd also probably be able to pick up Willits and take a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 04:24 PM) please close this thread, no more pipe dream angels talks. No offseason is complete without Konerko-to-Angels rumors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Not going to happen, but I'd love to have Weaver. I wonder if they'd also give up Shields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) Not going to happen, but I'd love to have Weaver. I wonder if they'd also give up Shields. The Angels are in the market for relievers now that Frankie is gone and they won't be trading Shields. Plus Shields is on the downside of his career, imo, as the heavy innings and games pitched totals are starting to wear him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Weaver! To continue the math from the Abreu posts: Abreu + Weaver >>>>>> Dye (although I do heart Dye) DO IT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) The Angels are in the market for relievers now that Frankie is gone and they won't be trading Shields. Plus Shields is on the downside of his career, imo, as the heavy innings and games pitched totals are starting to wear him out. They do have a good closer in waiting however. I dont see them really targeting any of our guys for the pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Weaver! To continue the math from the Abreu posts: Abreu + Weaver >>>>>> Dye (although I do heart Dye) DO IT! I would love to have Weaver on the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) They do have a good closer in waiting however. I dont see them really targeting any of our guys for the pen. Arrodondo is being groomed for the closer spot but they are initially going to go with Shields or a closer by comittee. They are also in the market to pick up a reliever and while the Sox could offer one I don't see them trading a reliever in addition to Dye unless they are getting something significant in return (ie, Morales, a pitcher (Weaver or Adenhart) and Figgins). Obviously that is a pretty one-sided deal for the Sox so I can't see it happening (unless of course they wanted Jenks...but again I don't think the Angels would want to re-acquire him given the history). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:35 PM) I would be willing to deal Paulie for a young starting pitcher and Kendry Morales. Weaver would be the most likely as I think the Angels like him the least out of the guys currently slated in the rotation. Adenhart is pretty valuable and I'd imagine he'd be untouchable but you might be able to get him if the Angels were desperate enough. Figgins could also be doable but he's older, relies on speed, has injury issues and is due to become a free agent so I think targeting a pitcher would make a bit more sense. You'd also probably be able to pick up Willits and take a chance. Agree with this and I'd mainly want Figgins for the Type A compensation if he were included. I like where the Sox have been going and I hope they do trade both Dye and Paulie, although that is unlikely. Thome will come off the books after 2009 and after 2010 all three of Dye, Paulie, and Thome would be gone, so I'd rather take the approach of getting prospects for them now so that by the time 2010 comes we may already be contenders with more youth coming up the pipeline. If the Sox then back that up with an Abreu or Dunn signing which doesn't cost draft picks we'd make some real gains IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Personally I'd rather trade Paulie than Dye, but either is fine. I hope Paulie gets his head out of his ass this upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Would the Angels do Konerko for Weaver straight up? Weaver's pretty valuable. He's arbitration eligible IIRC this off-season, but he'd be under our control for 3 seasons. His ERA went up to 4.33 this season, but his BAA was down, and the HR rate went up a little. Konerko had a .910 OPS after the ASB, but he also had a line of .204/.295/.331 away from the Cell, which is a bit of a red flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 I'm surprised no one has mentioned he's a boras client. Although that wouldn't matter much for another couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:51 PM) Personally I'd rather trade Paulie than Dye, but either is fine. I hope Paulie gets his head out of his ass this upcoming season. Who would be PK's replacement? I don't think Abreu would be a fit then. We would probably get more for Dye unless the Angels lose out on Tex and they REALLY need a 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:24 PM) please close this thread, no more pipe dream angels talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 04:57 PM) Who would be PK's replacement? I don't think Abreu would be a fit then. We would probably get more for Dye unless the Angels lose out on Tex and they REALLY need a 1B. Dye could move to 1B and Abreu could play LF/RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 Wouldn't mind getting Nick Adenhart from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 11, 2008 Share Posted December 11, 2008 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 11, 2008 -> 03:57 PM) Who would be PK's replacement? I don't think Abreu would be a fit then. We would probably get more for Dye unless the Angels lose out on Tex and they REALLY need a 1B. If you trade Paulie and not Dye then you sign Adam Dunn to play 1B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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