Kalapse Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 05:41 PM) Well, I imagine it gets tough having everyone agree with you when you're 100% right all the time. Oh if you only knew my pain. It really is more of a curse than a gift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) Oh if you only knew my pain. It really is more of a curse than a gift. Haha, I feel for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 04:39 PM) I'm sick of everyone always agreeing with me. Rarely does anyone actually call me out, sometimes I have to fabricate an disagreement just to get some good dialogue going. If it makes you feel any better I disagree with a lot of what you say on here, I just don't say anything cause your my boy Kal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I thought it was against the rules for two mods to date? Or is this casual? Just stop slobbing each other's knobs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Shadows @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 04:47 PM) If it makes you feel any better I disagree with a lot of what you say on here, I just don't say anything cause your my boy Kal Carl, you possess both the coolest avatar and the funniest name on this site. Your disagreement is assumed everywhere you don't post and in all subjects wii-related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Shadows @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 05:47 PM) If it makes you feel any better I disagree with a lot of what you say on here, I just don't say anything cause your my boy Kal I think you and I disagree more than we agree on topics pertaining to baseball. That love you have for Willy T. has been burning strong for a few years now, I remember you waxing poetic about him back when he was still with the Astros, I still think you're nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 So this one writer, Heyman, says the Sox might be a possibility for Garland. Not a rumor, no source, no other writers agreeing. Just one guy saying he could be a possibility. I'd say this is beyond thin. But for the sake of discussion, I'd like to see Garland on the south side as a 4/5 starter, for the right price. Problem is, it won't be the right price, Garland would hesitate to come back to Chicago, and the feeling may be mutual for the Sox. Plus, if we pay JG some 8 or 10 mil a year, that precludes any free agent signings for CF or elsewhere, and pretty much requires we trade Dye. Overall, it would need to be a super-cheap deal for this to be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) I think you and I disagree more than we agree on topics pertaining to baseball. That love you have for Willy T. has been burning strong for a few years now, I remember you waxing poetic about him back when he was still with the Astros, I still think you're nuts. The entire baseball world seems to be on your side with this one. Willy T is f***ing awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 LOUD NOISES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 08:39 PM) Obviously Garland would fit back into our rotation perfectly with the emergence of Danks and Floyd. It would give Ozzie the flexibility to have a L,R,L,R,L rotation the entire season. If Stone is right and the market drops in January i would love to have Garland for $8 million/season with incentives. . But im guessing he gets nothing less than 10 mill/season... Could be and I would love to Jon Garland back with the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I would love Jonny G back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 As I stated in a previous thread, a 3 year 27-30 million dollar contract with some incentives/bonuses would be perfect. He would make our rotation a whole lot less crappy. He might not be a stud, but he's a very solid 3-4 guy. I would also try and get Garland pitching more games on 3-4 days rest instead of 4-5 days as I firmly believe with him, when he's arm is tired, his "sinker" will be a lot more effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Well this thread turned out to be interesting... As for the topic at hand, I would definitely like Garland back on this team, and I would absolutely do a 3 year deal for $8M/yr. Not sure if someone will end up overpaying for Jon, but I have a hard time believing someone will with the way this off-season has been going so far. I don't think $8M/year is all that unrealistic, even if it would be a pay-cut for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Garland would be a decent pickup. He'd probably settle for a 2 yr deal, as he'll find most teams may be backing off him due to his increased numbers. Only if he's healthy, though. I don't want the sox to pay $9+ mill. for a 4th or 5th starter. Though I'd rather pay Garland $9 mill. than Vazquez 2009 salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 This is exactly what I'm talking about, instead of discussing the topic at hand you have to get all personal and correct grammatical errors. Indicators of a person who doesn't know how to conduct himself in an argument. And no, a pitcher's W/L record is not a good way of proving his worth as a player. Seriously. Did someone just hotlink a post from WSI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Why was Javy Vazquez's $11.5 million a year to be a 4/5 starter, "reasonable", and paying Garland to do the same thing, except win a couple more games and strikeout a bunch less, insane? I'm not a big fan of Garland, but I'd rather have him than Javy. And you can probably pay him less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 05:35 PM) So what we're all saying here is that we all basically agreed the whole time. I love it. I'm so confused. You almost made me do research to argue your false claim! RESEARCH!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 05:44 PM) Oh if you only knew my pain. It really is more of a curse than a gift. "God, my brilliance is becoming a bit of a burden. Get back to me." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) Obviously Garland would fit back into our rotation perfectly with the emergence of Danks and Floyd. It would give Ozzie the flexibility to have a L,R,L,R,L rotation the entire season. If Stone is right and the market drops in January i would love to have Garland for $8 million/season with incentives. . But im guessing he gets nothing less than 10 mill/season... Garland had a bad year last year. If memor serves, he gave up 250 hit s (or so) in about 190-200 innings. That's not so good. I don't want him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 08:41 PM) "God, my brilliance is becoming a bit of a burden. Get back to me." What can I say? I'm a huge brain in a ripped up body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Wow I missed a Steve-Kalapse argument And Im not so sure on Garland just because I think the Sox defense may not be so great and when you only strike out 90 players it means your defense has to make a lot of plays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 08:25 PM) Why was Javy Vazquez's $11.5 million a year to be a 4/5 starter, "reasonable", and paying Garland to do the same thing, except win a couple more games and strikeout a bunch less, insane? I'm not a big fan of Garland, but I'd rather have him than Javy. And you can probably pay him less money. I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Or if someone did, that's a pretty gross misrepresentation of what they actually meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Wow I missed a Steve-Kalapse argument It was more of a fun-ument. We both argued things we didn't believe to kill an hour. It was pretty silly. (I that wins are all that matters, he that he doesn't want Garland back whatsoever) Edited December 19, 2008 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 (edited) The fact is that Jon Garland has proven he can be a #4 starter in our ballpark, something Richard, Poreda, Marquez, etc.etc. haven't. If he comes for under 10 million, I say do it, you'd essentially be receiving Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Gilmore, Rodriguez, Garland & some cash for Javy. Edited December 19, 2008 by Jimmywins1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Dec 18, 2008 -> 10:04 PM) The fact is that Jon Garland has proven he cant be a #4 starter in our ballpark, something Richard, Poreda, Marquez, etc.etc. haven't. If he comes for under 10 million, I say do it, you'd essentially be receiving Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, Gilmore, Rodriguez, Garland & some cash for Javy. I assume you mean he's proven he CAN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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