BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Well, it sure has worked in Holland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) 2000 Big Macs is real bad. A few Big Macs isn't. With cigarettes, most people have a few, and are hooked. So just a few cigarettes ends up being bad for a large percentage of people. So I don't put them in nearly the same category of how "bad" they are. I bet there are plenty of fat smokers who would trade 10,000 cigarettes for 2,000 big macs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) Well, it sure has worked in Holland... I don't really see what you are getting at here. QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:07 PM) I bet there are plenty of fat smokers who would trade 10,000 cigarettes for 2,000 big macs. But this was damn funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 A few thoughts... Keep the porno age at 18. Sure, 99.9999% of all teenage boys go online and lookup "stuff", but still 18 is the right age. If you are going to say it's all right for 14-16 year olds to do you know what to themselves, then that just leads to bad things such as age of consent, etc. Not really a big deal anyway, as anyone can get it for free online. Besides, I doubt you'll see too many kids in trouble with the law (probably with their parents) for owning a playboy. Keep drinking age at 21. Drinking prior to 21 just leads to too many bad things. Granted most teenagers drink underage anyway, making it legal and more accessible for them isn't a good thing. Way too many health risks with drinking before you are completely an adult. The effects on the brain are the most important thing, IMO. As for the driving age, 16 is nice for students, but it should be 18. I know way too many who have no idea what they are doing on the road, and it doesn't help that a lot of the parents don't require their kids to drive the 50 practice hours or whatever it is to get the license. Finally, for mary jane, my biggest gripe with it is that it is a starter drug. Sure, a joint isn't bad on the body, but it could lead a person wanting to get an even stronger high, and try much more serious drugs. It's just a bad idea. If you want to smoke it, go get illegally. It'd probably cheaper for you that way anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:16 PM) I don't really see what you are getting at here. For the Holland thing, I was just trying to point out how having marijuana, and prostitution, and all that "good stuff" legal has worked out for them... not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:34 PM) A few thoughts... Keep the porno age at 18. Sure, 99.9999% of all teenage boys go online and lookup "stuff", but still 18 is the right age. If you are going to say it's all right for 14-16 year olds to do you know what to themselves, then that just leads to bad things such as age of consent, etc. Not really a big deal anyway, as anyone can get it for free online. Besides, I doubt you'll see too many kids in trouble with the law (probably with their parents) for owning a playboy. Are you saying that porn should have a legal age of consent because we should be setting an age at which its OK to masturbate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:36 PM) For the Holland thing, I was just trying to point out how having marijuana, and prostitution, and all that "good stuff" legal has worked out for them... not good. What has been "not good" in Holland due to marijuana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:43 PM) Are you saying that porn should have a legal age of consent because we should be setting an age at which its OK to masturbate? I'm just saying someone could make that arguement. That one is not really an issue though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:45 PM) What has been "not good" in Holland due to marijuana? Well, not just marijuana, but also prostitution and just their overall drug policies. I know it isn't a perfect example as they are one of the most liberal countries out there, but I have a feeling the USA is heading in their direction. Basically, when I have kids, I don't want to ever take them there for a vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 06:54 PM) Well, not just marijuana, but also prostitution and just their overall drug policies. I know it isn't a perfect example as they are one of the most liberal countries out there, but I have a feeling the USA is heading in their direction. Basically, when I have kids, I don't want to ever take them there for a vacation. Well, just avoid the red light district. The rest of Holland is quite nice, I'm told. I don't really see the US becoming Holland, or even going that direction. And in fact, Holland is now changing some of their laws regarding prostitution and drugs, so they are headed more towards us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) Well, not just marijuana, but also prostitution and just their overall drug policies. I know it isn't a perfect example as they are one of the most liberal countries out there, but I have a feeling the USA is heading in their direction. Basically, when I have kids, I don't want to ever take them there for a vacation. Don't be scaahrrred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 Marijuana is not a starter drug, that would be alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Marijuana is not a starter drug, that would be alcohol. Honestly, they both are. But if you really want to nit pick, caffeine is the true starter drug. Edited December 27, 2008 by BearSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) Honestly, they both are. But if you really want to nit pick, caffeine is the true starter drug. I wouldn't say caffeine is a starter drug in any way. Alcohol is by far the biggest starter drug. So many people that try anything past alcohol try it under the influence. Pot is not the same way with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) Honestly, they both are. But if you really want to nit pick, caffeine is the true starter drug. Starter drug? No. Most commonly addicted drug? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 26, 2008 -> 11:40 PM) Starter drug? No. Most commonly addicted drug? Yes. YEP. It would be impossible for me to give up coffee. I wouldn't even try. Two cups in the morning is the only way I get out of the house. I could probably go two days without beer, but coffee? I wouldn't make it past 11 am. I hear cigarettes are worse, but so many people continue to drink coffee as they try to quit smoking. Seems like you can go longer without a smoke than without coffee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 The difference between alcohol, caffeine, and marijuana as a starter drug is where you buy it. If your starter drug is caffeine, you may move onto Bety Crocker cake mixes at your local mega-mart, or worse, $5.00 triple soy lattes at Star$s. If alcohol is your starter drug, that same "dealer" may sell you cigars, porn, or more alcohol. If marijuana is your starter drug, it opens up more and harsher illegal drugs. All the more reason to legalize it and sell it in liquor stores. The fighting a war and drinking age is a classic misdirection. I've seen kids as young as 12 be remarkable great shots, able to navigate well with map and compass, and totally school adults on a paintball field. Will that also predict how well they could handle alcohol in a few years? I doubt it. Skills inone area do not translate into the other. There are just too many unnecessary dangers in younger people drinking. And getting back to my social good argument earlier, many of those dangers are of concern to other people around the teen drinker. Drunk driving and other behavior that hurts innocents. In a nutshell, we've discovered that 18 year olds, with clear minds, are capable soldiers. We've also discovered 18 year olds, given the right and responsibility of alcohol were too often not capable drinkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxy Posted December 28, 2008 Share Posted December 28, 2008 QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Dec 27, 2008 -> 01:03 AM) YEP. It would be impossible for me to give up coffee. I wouldn't even try. Two cups in the morning is the only way I get out of the house. I could probably go two days without beer, but coffee? I wouldn't make it past 11 am. I hear cigarettes are worse, but so many people continue to drink coffee as they try to quit smoking. Seems like you can go longer without a smoke than without coffee. Actually, part of that is because nicotine alters the way that caffeine is metabolized. So, there is a real pharmacological link between the quitting smoking and caffeine intake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ Dec 27, 2008 -> 09:32 AM) If alcohol is your starter drug, that same "dealer" may sell you cigars, porn, or more alcohol. If marijuana is your starter drug, it opens up more and harsher illegal drugs. 1 - You only can say that because alcohol is legal, but its effect and the associated consequences are much stronger than anything marijuana does. Alcohol is dangerous, and deadly. Marijuana makes people lazy, silly, hungry, and/or stupid, and really is mild by comparison - plus, I'm no medical expert, but I'm fairly certain the health effects are nothing as bad as alcohol (and aren't as bad as cigarettes, either). People bypass the effects of alcohol because you can go around the corner from your house and get it, but it opens up the same gate as any other drug. 2 - Like with the first statement, that's only because marijuana is illegal and that might depend on where you get your stuff from. Your weed dealer might be selling just different types of weed, or he might be selling some harder stuff too (or be in an area where the harder stuff is around). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 gateway drug and starter drug are only terms that were made up by people trying scare tactics to keep kids off of drugs. Tylenol is more dangerous to humans than Marijuana. Getting caught with a personal stash of pot isnt really that big of a deal, but still it would suck to have corps in charge of the crops and prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 28, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) 1 - You only can say that because alcohol is legal, but its effect and the associated consequences are much stronger than anything marijuana does. Alcohol is dangerous, and deadly. Marijuana makes people lazy, silly, hungry, and/or stupid, and really is mild by comparison - plus, I'm no medical expert, but I'm fairly certain the health effects are nothing as bad as alcohol (and aren't as bad as cigarettes, either). People bypass the effects of alcohol because you can go around the corner from your house and get it, but it opens up the same gate as any other drug. How many interventions on TV have been focused on Weed? How many livers and lives has it destroyed comparatively? Its not even comparable to alcohol as far as dangers to humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 30, 2008 -> 02:20 PM) How many interventions on TV have been focused on Weed? How many livers and lives has it destroyed comparatively? Its not even comparable to alcohol as far as dangers to humans. Basically, yeah. I mean, when's the last time you heard about a guy getting stoned and then beating his wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 30, 2008 -> 01:50 PM) Basically, yeah. I mean, when's the last time you heard about a guy getting stoned and then beating his wife? He'd be too hungry...... I think some of the people who are very against pot would be surprised when they find out how many of their friends, co-workers, and whatnot use pot to relax instead of drinking a 6 pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 30, 2008 -> 03:53 PM) I think some of the people who are very against pot would be surprised when they find out how many of their friends, co-workers, and whatnot use pot to relax instead of drinking a 6 pack. Agreed completely, there are so many people that don't look they would, but do. I on the other hand, like using both to relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Important news update about marijuana issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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