Today, I fell in love...

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by theoldroman

OK, so maybe the Sox havent been the best team but does that make them ineligible to be my favorite team? No. Also, I disagree with you (among other things) on Joe Jackson being the best player this team has ever had. He was a drunk, an illiterate, and, in the end, a loser. He is the one whos cursed this team for its entire history. We were the Yankees until this cocksucker came along and threw the series and sent us into an unending downward spiral. Frank, Thomas, Nelli Fox or Ed Walsh are our best ever players. 

 

And Im overexxagerating on my reactions to Sox losses. Certain games only I get over emotional. Like when we blew Buehrles last game to the Twins or other close/important losses like that. Or when we blow one late. But I never get upset when the Bears lose. 

 

Ive heard of Dick Butkus but I really didnt know much more about him. I never thought he was as good as you say. I also wasnt sure if you were talking about Urlacher (I was hoping you werent tho because that would just be dumb).

 

I wont ever claim to be a Bears fan again, OK? And what f***ing glory? The Bears havent seen any f***ing glory in over a f***ing decade!

 

Umm, what does a how a player acts off the field have to do with how great he is on the field. Babe Ruth was a fat drunken womanizing slob. Mantle was a drunk. Plenty of others have acted horrible off the field. That doesn't take away from how good they were. Have you heard the story of the 1919 White Sox? You actually believe that Jackson threw the series?

 

You didn't know how good Butkus was? Ok, well I guess you don't follow football.

 

Good do us a favor and don't claim to be a Bears fan. Go watch your Redskins, who you now love because of one lucky game! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats funny s***! I can't wait until you watch this team some more. The whole idea of this topic was just funny. You fell in love with a team over one game, which if Kurt Warner realizes that he has to throw the ball away and go to 2nd down, they never even win!

[Chisoxfn]

Now now Now everyone, I think its obvious Roman is a big White Sox fan.

 

Of course I also think its obvious he never was a Bear fan to begin with. He may of followed them, but he never really liked him, so it wasn't a big thing for him to start liking the Redskins.

 

I don't fault him with that. If he likes the way a team plays, so be it.

 

I like the way the Broncos play and hope one day the Bears can do something like that.

 

Of course I'm a diehard Bear fan.

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Now now Now everyone, I think its obvious Roman is a big White Sox fan.

 

Of course I also think its obvious he never was a Bear fan to begin with.  He may of followed them, but he never really liked him, so it wasn't a big thing for him to start liking the Redskins.

 

I don't fault him with that.  If he likes the way a team plays, so be it.

 

I like the way the Broncos play and hope one day the Bears can do something like that.

 

Of course I'm a diehard Bear fan.

 

I think it's also obvious Roman needs to take a few deep breathes and relax!

 

Did you watch the Broncos/Colts game last night? Great game and some extremely clutch kicking by Vandy!

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

psycho i used to like you that is untill your last comments there about joe jackson...he was right up there with the likes of frank et el..... it was not him who threw the games.. go back and check your whitesox history.......i cant believe you just made that statement.... and if you want to talk about assholes in baseball try for guys like the babe, mantle,hell even ty cobb was a jagoff.. he once slammed a kids fingers on the bus window casue the kid wanted his autograph.....you go on and think you know something about the sox... when you say joe was the cause of the black sox scandle you are out of your freakin mind.... others were more powerful than he in that mess...........

[Chisoxfn]

Ty Cobb is probably the biggest ahole in the game ever.

 

Roman, I think your off in your talks about Joe Jackson. Watch some documentaries about the Black Sox and I think you'll change your view.

 

Joe didn't throw the series, he had record marks for batting average and such and had one of the best series any player could have.

 

He also was a good member of the community from what I've read.

[Soxplosion]

Ty Cobb was the biggest asshole ever to play the game. But Ruth, Mantle and JACKSON are up there too.

 

Im reading Eliot Asinofs book on the series right now. And heres what I think. JJ was of less blame but the fact that he didnt rat his friends out (the dumbass was only illiterate, he could atleast talk, one would hope) means he is just as responsible. We were the motherf***ing Yankees until these cheating assf***s came along. He can go to hell with the likes of Chick Gandil and Eddie Cicotte. f*** all the dirty bastards! Buncha illiterate Confederate pricks, they were... Hell, Im surprised they could actually figure that Comiskey was totally ripping them, being as dirty and uneducated as they were. Comiskey was great! Ah....

 

But, honestly, I think Ed Walsh is our best ever pitcher and Frank is our best ever hitter. Ed Walsh not only leads the team in career ERA but the major leagues. HE WAS THE MAN. And then Frank holds the records in franchise history for most offensive categories...

[Soxplosion]

But he didnt snitch! He wanted to right after the series but that was a bit late! He coulda gone and given some names and Commy woulda solved everything. But he kept quiet until the horse was outta the barn and its f***ed us over for nearly a century. Good job Joe! You can stay outta Cooperstown for eternity for all I f***ing care...

[witesoxfan]

First of all, I'd like to state that I like the Bears, but am not a huge fan of their's...I don't not like them but as I said, I'm not a huge fan. I am a Bills fan, believe it or not, and I'm wondering how the hell a team can go from ripping the s*** out of the NFL 3 straight weeks to getting the s*** ripped out of you 3 straight weeks. Maybe it's because Gregg Williams is a dips*** of a coach, maybe it's something else....I think the offense just needs to get its s*** together.

 

I can understand being a fan of a couple different teams though...when your team is doing s***ty, say for instance last year with the Bills and you don't like a front office move they made(I still can't f***ing believe they got rid of Flutie of Rob "I get hurt every-f***ing-day even if it is a broken finger nail or a scrape on the knee that would be better if my mom just kissed it" Johnson. And now neither are in the system, as Johnson was let go and is now the 3RD STRING QB on Tampa Bay, behind SHAUN KING on the depth chart. And the Bills chose him over Flutie. As I was saying previously though, last year I really didn't follow them all that heavily mainly because I knew they were going to suck. It doesn't mean that I didn't follow them at all...I was happy when they won, especially when they beat the Jets(and they lost to them f***ing twice this year), but I didn't get cracked up when they lost. I'm pissed as hell about this year because they had a great team and should be going to the playoffs, but are instead going to be sitting on their asses watching New England and Miami get the s*** beat out of them in the playoffs(sorry cw)because I think they are both going to be overmatched by Oakland, Denver, Pittsburgh and maybe even Tennesee...and maybe one of Miami and New England may not make it because San Diego is pretty damn good too.

 

In conclusion, Buffalo could have been good this year, but were s***ty. And theoldroman(aka Psycho), if you want to jump ship from one s***ty team to another(and both the Bills and Bears were s***ty this year), jump to the Bills...or don't jump at all. Atleast the Bills and Bears will be good next year. The Bears just need to get a good QB(and I'm still laughin' my ass off as the Bills got Bledsoe instead of Chicago...sorry everybody). I suggest that the Bears intentionally try to lose the rest of their games for the rest of the season so they can get a high draft pick...that way they can get a good QB. The Bears got a lot of good talent...just not a good QB. The QB is the heart and soul of the team. Just look at my Bills...they had the same personell last year(except London Fletcher and Josh Reed, but they aren't huge factors), but they got a better, a much better QB in Bledsoe, and look at the success they've had(though it has been limited over the past couple weeks). A Byron Leftwich would be great...from what I've seen, he's Daunte Culpepper with a brain. Daunte has tremendous talent, but is just stupid...he makes stupid decisions. Leftwich is better than that. Ken Dorsey is also going to be drafted, and whether or not he is very talented, he obviously has had success, and he's about to win his 2nd straight national championship. Carson Palmer, Kliff Kingsbury, etc. I think A-Train suffered a little sophomore jinx this year and he'll be back and great next year. I'm looking forward to both the Bills and Bears next year, though the Bills more of course, as I am a bigger fan of them.

[cwsox]

it is only bandwagoning if it is your motivation - if you pick a team for other reasons and they happen to be winning, it is not bandwagoning. I repeat my recommendations of the Dolphs or Pats, or maybe the Chargers. But NO to Washington, or the adoption is off! I will not have a bastard child!

 

I also think Joe Jackson, while not the most involved of the 8, was certainly involved enough and not as dumb as he acted in public. He hit, but in what games --

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by witesoxfan

 

The Bills just need some defense. Their offense is explosive with Bledose, Moulds, Price, and Henry. Peerless Price...Wow. I liked him coming into this year, but I didn't expect him to be this good.

 

But the Bills defense is just bad. They're near the bottom in points allowed, and have done bad against the run. Schoebel has done a nice job, but they could use a stud pass rusher. I thought the pickup of Fletcher was a nice move. They just need to devote this offseason to improving the defense, and they'll be fine next year.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

maybe dumb is a harsh word.. but what would you call a guy who couldnt even write or read... his wife signed his pay checks untill he learned how to copy his signature well enough...........thats pretty much how he learned to write by copying things his wife wrote down......and as i recall he hit rather well in all of the games.....

[witesoxfan]

The Bills have given up the most points in the NFL...317. That's 5 more than the Chiefs and 6 more than the Lions.

 

Defense they do need...badly. They just signed Marcus Jones, who I believe was cut by the Bucs after he was injured and out for the year. He is rehabilitating and will be ready for next year's training camps. That's a start. Most of this year's draft will probably be used for defense...they really don't need any CB's as Clements, Winfield and Watson are all pretty good. I haven't seen anyone that really catches my eye in college football...then again, I'm not a big college football fan. Someone from Oklahoma has to be a senior that plays on their line that is good...I guess that's why I don't make the draft picks.

 

I am just thinking that maybe they are trying to hard to be like the Patriots...the Bills are not a little play, get down the field step by step kind of offense. With Moulds and Price as their wideouts, they have got to do more long yardage passes. Hell, I even developed a good play that would work regularaly...

Have 4 wideouts, Moulds and Price at the line, Reed and Centers/Rimersma as the other receiver. Send Moulds and Price down on fly patterns, and have Reed and Centers/Rimersma do a crossing pattern in the middle of the field. Henry can be in the backfield either blocking or setting up for a screen.

 

This will either:

A) draw double coverage for Moulds and Price, creating a mismatch on Reed and Centers/Rimersma

B) draw man to man coverage on Moulds and/or Price, with that being an obvious mismatch

C) Give Travis Henry plenty of room to run for a screen.

 

I am just wondering why they do not do this type of play more often. Bledsoe has the capability to make any of these throws and it would make the Bills a big time threat, with or without a good defense.

[Jjav829]

Well I haven't seen many Bills games this year, so I can't really comment on how much they stretch the field. But they still do need a defense to win games. You have to have a defense that can stop the other team when it matters to win. The Bills don't have that. I do like their DB's and I would think their 2nd rounder (being without a 1st rounder) would be spent on a D lineman. They could really use a Ted Washington, then again, who can't use a player like him? Either that or a good pash rusher. I think they may have to do what the Colts did last year and devote the entire draft to getting young defensive players. They're set at the skill positions on offense.

 

I think for a team like the Bills using a 4 wideout set and then dumping the ball off the Henry out of the backfield could really create some nice pickups. Once they go to a 4 WR set the D automatically has to drop into a dime set and drop 2 DB's back deep into coverage creating a situation with 4 down linemen and only a single linebacker to cover Henry. That should result in some nice gains.

 

Do the Bills not run a lot of crossing routes, or deep slants? That would seem to be the best course of action for them to really open up some holes for Henry.

 

Anyway, they should be fine next year. I think the early season success was a result of their defense overachieving. With them coming back down now, I could understand the struggles.

[Chisoxfn]

Originally posted by cwsox

it is only bandwagoning if it is your motivation - if you pick a team for other reasons and they happen to be winning, it is not bandwagoning.  I repeat my recommendations of the Dolphs or Pats, or maybe the Chargers.  But NO to Washington, or the adoption is off!  I will not have a bastard child!

 

I also think Joe Jackson, while not the most involved of the 8, was certainly involved enough and not as dumb as he acted in public.  He hit, but in what games -- 

 

That is definately true. I also sit their and kind of say, hey why rat out after you've already been caught. What good does that do?

 

I don't know, its just I don't rat out on my friends/teammates.

 

What he should of done is not taken the money and got on their asses about it and had them play.

 

The were all dumbasses for taking the money and they screwed the Sox for a long long time. That team was amazing.

[RyeGuy]

He hit, but in what games -- 

 

Bingo! None of the ones they lost. All these check your history people. Check it.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

heres a small play by play of that series....joe didnt do all that bad with his hitting.....

 

 

 

1919 World Series

Joe Jackson At A Glance (At The Plate)

 

We present on this page Joe's play by play for his plate appearances. We have listed for comparison purposes the box scores of Joe Jackson, Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk for each game. Folks that think Joe is guilty always point to his performance in games 1, 4 and 5. We suggest you look at the box scores of Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk for those same games, their performance in those games are poor as well. This suggests one of two things........one could say that Schalk and Collins were also in on the fix because their performance was poor in those games.......a theory, which we don't subscribe to. Instead we tend to think maybe it had something to do with the pitching in those games since Collins and Schalk also performed poorly. Again, this is baseball and many factors contribute to a man having a good game or a bad one. Joe Jackson was good, but he was not God......he did have bad days.......just as Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk did.

 

Game 1

 

Game 1 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 4 0 1 1 3 3 0 .250

Jackson, lf 4 1 0 0 3 0 0 .000

Schalk, c 3 0 0 0 2 2 0 .000

 

 

Second Inning: -- Joe hits to Kopf, who fumbles the ball and then throws wildly to first, Jackson goes to second and later scores from third.

Fourth Inning: -- Jackson taps weakly to Kopf, who throws him out at first.

Sixth Inning: -- Joe hits to Daubert at first and loses the foot race to the bag.

Ninth Inning: -- Joe lifts a fly to Neale.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

2 ---- ---- ---- 1 0 Singled (ERROR), Took second on wild throw by Kopk, Later scored.

4 ---- ---- ---- 1 1 Hit to Kopf, out at first

6 Weaver E. Collins ---- 6 1 Out to Daubert, Weaver to 2nd, E. Collins to 3rd.

9 ---- ---- ---- 9 1 Flied to Neale.

 

 

 

Game 2

 

Game 2 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 3 0 0 0 2 3 0 .000

Jackson, lf 4 0 3 4 1 0 0 .750

Schalk, c 4 1 2 2 2 2 0 .500

 

 

Second Inning: -- Joe dumps a Texas Leaguer back of second, the ball gets away from Roush and Duncan, Jackson gets 2 bases out of it. Joe advances to third later in the inning, but was left on base.

Fourth Inning: -- Joe hits the first pitch to left, advanced to third and died.

Sixth Inning: -- Joe strikes out.

Eighth Inning: -- Joe hits a line shot at Daubert, who makes a great one hand knock down but throws badly to Sallee covering first. Joe goes to second.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

2 ---- ---- ---- 0 0 Texas Leaguer behind 2nd for 2 bases, advanced to 3rd on Felsch's sacrifice, Died at 3rd.

4 Weaver ---- ---- 0 0 Jackson singled to left, Weaver to 2nd, Later took third as Weaver is out at home, Joe died at 3rd.

6 ---- Weaver ---- 3 0 Strikes out.

8 ---- ---- ---- 4 2 Joe singled, advanced to second on wild throw, died there.

 

 

 

Game 3

 

Game 3 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 4 0 1 1 1 5 0 .250

Jackson, lf 3 1 2 2 1 0 0 .667

Schalk, c 3 0 1 1 4 0 0 .333

 

 

Second Inning: -- Joe got a great roar from the fans as he laced one into left for a single. He advanced to third and later scored.

Third Inning: -- Joe attempts to sacrifice, but hits a pop fly close to the pitchers mound, which was caught by Daubert.

Sixth Inning: -- Joe swings at first pitch so hard he falls down, giving the Chicago fans a good laugh. The next pitch is several feet over his head and goes to the backstop. The next pitch is way outside, the next one Joe fouled into Rariden's mitt, but Rariden dropped it. Joe finally hits a Texas Leaguer just out of Kopf's reach for a hit. Joe was later called out attempting to steal second.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

2 ---- ---- ---- 0 0 Singled to left, took 2nd and 3rd on Felsch bunt due to throwing error, scored on Gandil's single.

3 Weaver E. Collins ---- 0 2 Popped to Daubert at 1st.

6 ---- ---- ---- 0 3 Texas Leaguer for a single. Thrown out stealing 2nd.

 

 

 

Game 4

 

Game 4 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 3 0 0 0 3 5 0 .000

Jackson, lf 4 0 1 2 3 0 0 .250

Schalk, c 1 0 0 0 4 3 0 .000

 

 

Second Inning: -- Jackson hits to short center where neither Roush or Neale could catch it. Joe got two bases on the drive. Joe took third on Happy Felsch's sacrifice.

Third Inning: -- Joe hits the ball to Rath, who fumbles allowing Joe to reach first safely.

Sixth Inning: -- Joe hits one straight at Kopf and is out at first.

Eighth Inning: -- Ring strikes Joe out on a high fast one.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

2 ---- ---- ---- 0 0 Double to center, takes 3rd on sacrifice by Felsch, dies there.

3 ---- E. Collins ---- 0 0 Hit to Rath, Rath fumbled, Jackson safe at first (ERROR).

6 ---- ---- ---- 2 0 Jackson to Kopf, out at 1st.

8 ---- ---- ---- 2 0 Strikes out.

 

 

 

Game 5

 

Game 5 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 4 0 0 0 1 2 1 .000

Jackson, lf 4 0 0 0 3 0 0 .000

Schalk, c 2 0 1 1 3 2 0 .500

 

 

First Inning: -- Joe hits a high fly to Groh, who catches it on the base line.

Fourth Inning: -- Jackson raps one back to Eller on the mound and is thrown out at first.

Seventh Inning: -- Jackson's bounder went to Rath who threw him out at first.

Ninth Inning: -- Jackson hits to Kopf, who throws him out at first.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

1 Weaver ---- Leibold 0 0 Joe flied to Groh on the baseline, no runners advanced.

4 ---- ---- ---- 0 0 Back to pitcher, out at 1st.

7 ---- ---- ---- 4 0 Hits to Rath, out at 1st.

9 ---- ---- Weaver 5 0 Hit to Kopf for final out.

 

 

 

Game 6

 

Game 6 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 4 0 0 0 4 6 0 .000

Jackson, lf 4 1 2 2 1 1 0 .500

Schalk, c 2 0 1 1 4 2 0 .500

 

 

First Inning: -- Joe pops to Groh.

Third Inning: -- Joe pops to catcher Rariden, who catches it in front of the net behind home plate.

Sixth Inning: -- Joe singles over second base on the first pitch. His hit scores Weaver from second.

Eighth Inning: -- Jackson draws a base on balls. Joe was later doubled up on what was a sure line drive hit by Risberg, which was caught by Roush on his shoe tops and threw to Rath at second to complete the twin killing.

Tenth Inning: -- Jackson is sent up to sacrifice Weaver to third and bunts safely in front of the plate. Joe is later doubled up on another liner, this time to Kopf, who throws to Rath for the double play.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

1 Weaver ---- ---- 0 0 Popped to Groh for third out.

4 ---- ---- ---- 2 0 Popped to Rariden at net behind home plate.

6 ---- Weaver ---- 4 1 Single over 2nd, Weaver scores, Joe scores on Felsch's double.

8 ---- ---- ---- 4 4 Walked, went to 2nd on Gandil walk, doubled at second on what appeared to be a sure hit to center by Risberg, Rath making an excellent shoe top catch.

10 ---- Weaver ---- 4 4 Bunted safely, Weaver went to 3rd, Joe goes to 2nd on Gandil's single, was doubled as Risberg lined to Kopf.

 

 

 

Game 7

 

Game 7 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 4 1 2 2 3 6 1 .500

Jackson, lf 4 0 2 2 3 0 0 .500

Schalk, c 4 0 1 1 4 1 0 .250

 

 

First Inning: -- Joe hits one to left for a clean single.

Third Inning: -- Jackson whips a hot single to left to score J. Collins.

Fifth Inning: -- Joe's hot grounder hits Rath on the ankle and bounds away allowing Joe to reach first safely.

Seventh Inning: -- Jackson hits to Rath for an easy out.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

1 ---- J. Collins ---- 0 0 Singled, scored J. Collins. Joe goes to 2nd on Felsch's bunt.

3 ---- ---- J. Collins 0 1 Singled to left, scores J. Collins. Joe was forced at 2nd by Felsch.

5 Weaver E. Collins ---- 0 2 Singled (ERROR), Weaver to 2nd, E. Collins to 3rd, Joe goes to 3rd and later dies there on Risberg's strike out.

7 ---- ---- ---- 1 4 Jackson hit to Rath for an out.

 

 

 

Game 8

 

Game 8 AB R H TB P A E Avg. For Game

E. Collins, 2b 5 1 3 4 4 1 0 .600

Jackson, lf 5 2 2 6 1 0 0 .400

Schalk, c 4 0 1 1 6 3 1 .250

 

 

First Inning: -- Kopf makes a beautiful catch of Joe's long foul against the left field fence.

Third Inning: -- Joe hits one into the right field bleachers for the only home run of the series.

Sixth Inning: -- Jackson flies to Roush in deep center field.

Eighth Inning: -- Joe doubles to right, scoring E. Collins and Weaver. Joe later scores on Neale's error on Gandil's fly ball.

Ninth Inning: -- Joe hits to Rath, who throws to Daubert to end the game.

Score At Time

Inning Player On First Player On Second Player On Third Reds Sox Result Of This At Bat

1 ---- E. Collins Leibold 4 0 Kopf makes a wonderful catch of Joe's long foul ball against the fence.

3 ---- ---- ---- 5 0 Joe hits a homerun.

6 Weaver ---- ---- 9 1 Flies to Roush in deep center.

8 ---- Weaver E. Collins 10 1 Doubled to right, scored E. Collins and Weaver. Joe later scored on Gandil's hit to Neale, who lost it in the sun for a triple for Gandil.

9 ---- E. Collins Murphy 10 5 Joe hit to Rath who threw him out, ending the game and the series.

 

 

 

Joe's Performance With and Without Men On Base

Men On Base AB H Batting

Average On Base

Average Number Of Errors

Resulting In Joe

Getting On Base Number of Times

Runners Advanced

None 15 6 .400 .500 1 --

1 10 5 .500 .600 1 6

2 7 1 .142 .286 1 3

3 -- -- -- -- 0 --

 

Man of 1st 3 1 .333 .333 0 --

Man of 2nd 5 3 .600 .800 1* --

Man of 3rd 2 1 .500 .500 0 --

Men on 1st & 2nd 3 0 .000 .333 1* --

Men on 1st & 3rd 1 0 .000 .000 0 --

Men on 2nd & 3rd 3 1 .333 .333 0 --

 

 

* There were only 3 errors on plays relating to Joe's at bats. By looking at the chart above it appears there were 5 errors, the Virtual Hall of Fame has broken it down by the number of men on base (the first four rows of the chart) and then we further break it down to show you what base(s) the one man and the two men were on when the errors were committed.

 

There are many rumors out there about Joe's performance at the plate in the first 4 to 5 games. The naysayers out there would like you to believe that Joe only batted .243 for those first 4 to 5 games.......of course, we're not sure where those numbers come from....but we can tell you they are not fact. The table below is taken from the game by game box scores of all the 8 games of the 1919 World Series. It should be noted that Joe went 10 for 23 for a .435 average when his team was either leading or trailing by 3 or less runs (what we consider to be critical situations, where hits and runs can make the difference in a game being won or lost. We believe this fact shows that Joe did indeed hit in critical situations and not as the naysayers would have you believe "laid down at critical times". We give you a game by game at bat, hit and average and we give you a running total at bats, hits and average. What we have listed is considered to be fact, since it is from eye witnesses to the games as they happened...... The answer is pretty clear to us...............

 

 

Game By Game Average Game By Game Average

Game Location Opposing Pitcher AB H Average AB H Average

1 Cincinnati Ruether 4 0 .000 4 0 .000

2 Cincinnati Sallee 4 3 .750 8 3 .375

3 Chicago Fisher 3 2 .667 11 5 .455

4 Chicago Ring 4 1 .250 15 6 .400

5 Chicago Eller 4 0 .000 19 6 .316

6 Cincinnati Ruether/Ring 4 2 .500 23 8 .348

7 Cincinnati Sallee 4 2 .500 27 10 .370

8 Chicago Eller 5 2 .400 32 12 .375

[BridgeportHeather]

Originally posted by theoldroman

Maybe the Redskins are racistly named, but who really cares? No one is trying to make fun of Native Americans with this name. I didnt go to the team for its name, I went to em because I love the team...

 

And cwsox, I cant go root for the Dolphins, that really would be bandwagoning. The Dolphins and Pats are both good teams. 

 

And, jjav, Im not leaving the Bears because of one bad season. Theyve been horrible for almost a decade. During that time theyve had one good season. But they blew it in the playoffs and and then they proved it was a fluke by going on an eight game losing streak this year! :puke. Seriously, this team is just bad. I wasnt alive during these allegedly great Bears teams of the early 80's (the fact that this crap team was ever even decent surprises me) so I dont really care about their great tradition they got from these teams. This team just sickens me. 

 

I hate the Bears. This hatreds been brewing inside of me for a long time and to see a team that really plays football play enlightened me and let all my anger towards the Bears out. Good luck, Bears fans, any guesses on how badly you finish? Atleast the Skins still have a shot at a winning record. The Bears are just back to their old form...

 

Just so you know, this season does not justify that last year was just a fluke. It is a fact that the Bears have had more injuries this season than in any other season in their franchise history, which dates back to the beginning of football! I know injuries are a part of the game. But when you have as many injuries as we have had, it just gets silly.

 

As for this whole "tradition" thing. Sports tradition is something that is VERY important. Just because you weren't born when something happened does not mean that it's unimportant. The tradition of a sports team is just as important as what is currently happening.

 

Oh, and one thing...for trivia...

 

The Bears are the only team in NFL history to record more than 500 victories!

[Chisoxfn]

Injuries aren't whats causing them to lose. They aren't executing and thats what makes this team bad.

 

Fundementally they are poor and that goes down to the coaching staff. They make a ton of penalties and they truly don't look prepared for the games.

 

I don't know what to think, but to simply blame injuries just isn't right imo. This football team still has the talent to overcome the injuries, look at the Packers for example. They have been more ravaged then the Bears, yet their they are sitting with an impressive record.

 

The bears lost to the Vikes and the Lions, thats pathetic and inexcuseable. Those are games that have to be won.

[witesoxfan]

Originally posted by Jjav829

Well I haven't seen many Bills games this year, so I can't really comment on how much they stretch the field. But they still do need a defense to win games. You have to have a defense that can stop the other team when it matters to win. The Bills don't have that. I do like their DB's and I would think their 2nd rounder (being without a 1st rounder) would be spent on a D lineman. They could really use a Ted Washington, then again, who can't use a player like him? Either that or a good pash rusher. I think they may have to do what the Colts did last year and devote the entire draft to getting young defensive players. They're set at the skill positions on offense. 

 

I think for a team like the Bills using a 4 wideout set and then dumping the ball off the Henry out of the backfield could really create some nice pickups. Once they go to a 4 WR set the D automatically has to drop into a dime set and drop 2 DB's back deep into coverage creating a situation with 4 down linemen and only a single linebacker to cover Henry. That should result in some nice gains. 

 

Do the Bills not run a lot of crossing routes, or deep slants? That would seem to be the best course of action for them to really open up some holes for Henry. 

 

Anyway, they should be fine next year. I think the early season success was a result of their defense overachieving. With them coming back down now, I could understand the struggles. 

 

I don't get many Bills games, but the ones I do get I watch...I saw them get killed by the Patriots and I saw them lose to the Chiefs...I saw them beat the Vikings and I believe that's it. And they ran the offense that I think they've run all year in all three games...that would make sense, after all. In the Vikings game, their offense suceeded....they wanted to throw the ball for short yards and then have the receivers run for a while. That was Price's breakout game. They tried it against the Patriots and their pass defense absolutely killed the Bills offense, and the Chiefs and Bills both played "well" defensively in their game...the play that killed them was Bledsoe's pick with about 4:30 left in the game to Anthony Warfield...what pissed me off was a questionable non-pass interference call on him the play before...a ball was startng to head OB and he was holding Moulds back from getting it. It landed just beyond the large white OB line, but doesn't mean it couldn't have been caught. I haven't really noticed their line though...I should pay a little more attention to that. I just know that Moulds and Price are really the only ones I ever see as wide outs, with Rimersma as the tight end most of the time, with Moore taking some snaps, Reed on the field on 3rd downs most of the time and Centers and that's about it.

 

I'm not sure...I'll check that out next time they play...and then I forgot that they traded their first round pick to the Pats...if they want to get some good defense, they may want to trade for a first round pick...maybe someone would take Larry Centers for a first round pick...who knows.