Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I know nothing about these pitchers. DeRosa was pretty good with the Cubs although I feel a dropoff is ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 fits right in with the rest of those PED toons. So Hendry might turn Marquis, SteroiDosa, and trash for Bradley, Peavy, Miles, and Vizcaino. Not too shabby I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox It To Em Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Makes sense for the Cubs. DeRosa had a career year last year; he's unlikely to repeat those numbers. Might as well sell high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 01:01 PM) fits right in with the rest of those PED toons. So Hendry might turn Marquis, SteroiDosa, and trash for Bradley, Peavy, Miles, and Vizcaino. Not too shabby I suppose. How does this help them get Peavy? They are trying to save money to sign Bradley and that should eat a big chunk of their payroll and they still have crap to trade for Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 BTW, DeRosa is really good and I hate to have him in Cle, and the Cubs will miss him a TON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 02:34 PM) BTW, DeRosa is really good and I hate to have him in Cle, and the Cubs will miss him a TON. Supposedly one of the pitchers is a decent prospect. A good enough piece of crap Hendry could pawn off in a package with more garbage for an ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 looks like a setup for the peavy deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 01:41 PM) Supposedly one of the pitchers is a decent prospect. A good enough piece of crap Hendry could pawn off in a package with more garbage for an ace. The Indians have nothing in their system pitching wise that the Cubs could have received that would be the difference maker in them landing Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I think Levine is reporting on the Score that Bradley to the Cubs is a done deal. This would bother me if he wasn't a virtual lock to miss at least half the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 02:25 PM) Levine works for ESPN. Some interesting moves by the Cubs. Sullivan was just on The Score, and thinks Miles could lead off for the Cubs, and talked about how well liked and important DeRosa was in the clubhouse. They just removed him from the equation, and brought in a huge wild card in Bradley. I don't know why I said Score. I did hear Murph say Miles is a good defender and legitimate leadoff hitter. lol. What a dumbass. Edited December 31, 2008 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Wow, the Cubs just traded their only clubhouse leader, their most versatile player, their most popular players with the fans and got no name value in return. The cubs fans are gonna love this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) I don't know why I said Score. I did hear Murph say Miles is a good defender and legitimate leadoff hitter. lol. What a dumbass. Well, I can't see Miles holding up over an entire year at 2B and leading off. He's not a stolen base threat, if he ever was one to begin with. There has to be more behind this move than just Bradley and minor leaguers, although seemingly their LH bat and leadoff problems are 50% solved theoretically. Although Fontenot will perhaps figure more into the equation now as well. I guess one can look at selling DeRosa "high" in the same light as the Sox potentially dealing Dye. And I guess this puts the Josh Barfield Era officially to an end in Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 02:25 PM) Levine works for ESPN. Some interesting moves by the Cubs. Sullivan was just on The Score, and thinks Miles could lead off for the Cubs, and talked about how well liked and important DeRosa was in the clubhouse. They just removed him from the equation, and brought in a huge wild card in Bradley. The Cubs now have Bradley and Zambrano in the same clubhouse. Consider that for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 07:32 PM) The Cubs now have Bradley and Zambrano in the same clubhouse. Consider that for a minute. I smell sitcom.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) 1) First, you trade Jose Ceda, our closer of the future who was "untouchable" in a Roberts deal last year, for Kevin Gregg, who led the NL in blown saves last year. He's going to battle Marmol now to be our closer? 2) Then you let Wood go, saying we don't have money while you try to trade for a pitcher we don't need (see below) and who was hurt for a time last year who makes much more than Wood wanted. You didn't even offer arbitration, costing us a draft pick. 3) You try to trade everyone we have left (including Josh Vitters, who is all we have left in the minors)for Jake Peavy who was hurt last year, makes a ton of money that we supposedly don't have to pay him, and who would give us (at that time) 7 starters. You offer up everything, including spinning DeRosa into the deal, even though you were dealing from advantage and should have been controlling the deal from day one. 4) You trade DeRosa for three worthless pitchers, who the media says aren't even going for Peavy anymore, to give Fontenot and Aaron Miles a chance to play. I like Fontenot, but he's no Mark DeRosa and by playing every day he takes one of our best weapons off the bench. You wanted to get rid of his $5 million salary? So you sign Aaron Miles to make half that for a total net savings of $2.5 million. Book the cruise.... 5) You sign Joey Gathright, who is the equivalent of if Tom Goodwin (during his Cubs days) and Felix Pie had a child. 6) You are on the verge of signing Milton Bradley, a DH, to play right field and who won't play more than 110 games next year and who you will be trying to dump his contract off (while paying a good amount of his salary) by the following offseason. You won't even discuss Adam Dunn, who would probably take a lower pay to play for the Cubs and who would give us power to replace DeRosa's, who you threw away to the Indians for nothing. So Mr. Hendry, unless you are going to pull a rabbit out of a hat now and actually improve this team, then on behalf of Cubs fans everywhere, we are very disappointed. My wife doesn't even want to go to the Cubs Convention anymore, and I don't blame her. from chicagotribune message boards....loved this rant, especially #5 Edited January 1, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 That guy will still pay $400 for two upper-deck tickets against the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Forget the Cubs, I think this is a great pick-up for the Indians, and I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 DeRosa is going to be 34, his career OPS is .770 and he's going to the very competitive American League...I think his best offensive days are behind him. An upgrade from A. Cabrera and Josh Barfield? For sure, but he's also a pretty weak defender and that infield has all kinds of question marks to me with Peralta at 3B, Cabrera at SS, DeRosa at 2B and Hafner/Martinez/Garko at 1B. That might be the worst defensive infield in baseball today. With their pitching, it's a far cry from Alomar and Vizquel up the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 This has not been a good off-season to be a Cubs fan. Derosa may be getting on in age, but he's better then anything else the Indians have got, and his versatility will benefit them a lot more now that Blake is out of the picture for a whole season. As for the Cubs, Little Mikey Fontenot has proven himself a good bench player, but no one knows how he might do for a whole season. And Aaron Miles? If he's get more then 350 at-bats I think that'll be very unfortunate for the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Cue the Roberts to Cubs speculation. Almost as annoying as the Konerko/Figgins annual storyline, Willy Taveras or Peavy to the Cubs talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (The Critic @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 08:07 AM) That guy will still pay $400 for two upper-deck tickets against the Cardinals. He already has his nice cubs visor layed out for opening day next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 09:44 AM) DeRosa is going to be 34, his career OPS is .770 and he's going to the very competitive American League...I think his best offensive days are behind him. An upgrade from A. Cabrera and Josh Barfield? For sure, but he's also a pretty weak defender and that infield has all kinds of question marks to me with Peralta at 3B, Cabrera at SS, DeRosa at 2B and Hafner/Martinez/Garko at 1B. That might be the worst defensive infield in baseball today. With their pitching, it's a far cry from Alomar and Vizquel up the middle. DeRosa is going to play 3B for them. From 3B to 1B - DeRosa-Peralta-Cabrera-Garko Still really not that pretty, but it's probably better than with DeRosa at 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) Obviously the Marte and Barfield experiments didn't work out so well. I think they'll really miss Blake, although DeRosa is a good substitute. Both are versatile, veteran, offense-minded players. Peralta just seems like a pending disaster at SS as he keeps growing, putting on weight. I won't label him the reincarnated equivalent of Viciedo at SS exactly, but he's about as mobile as Tom Brady these days. Garko's one of those streaky players that looks to be on the verge of playing himself off the team one year (due to his lack of typical 1B power numbers), but he's an RBI machine. The main problem is that Victor Martinez is also a DH, so you're either stuck with Hafner or a very lousy catcher, probably the worst in the baseball. It will be interesting to see what Flowers gives us from that spot in a couple of years...or if he also moves to 1B/DH. I guess keeping Peralta and Cabrera as the DP combination seemed the more logical way to go. Still the only "power" hitter on that infield is Peralta (for his position), and he's really a 3B now. It's just that DeRosa will cause less damage at 3B than 2B, I guess. Edited January 2, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Dec 31, 2008 -> 01:25 PM) Makes sense for the Cubs. DeRosa had a career year last year; he's unlikely to repeat those numbers. Might as well sell high. A career year? Looks about the same as the previous two, the only difference showing is the jump in homeruns, but its only 8 more. http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/derosma01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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