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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:13 PM)
On Baseball Tonight, they're trying to say that Derek Jeter isn't a bad defensive shortstop.

 

I wouldn't say he is bad. He's certainly no GG'er out there and is over hyped by the media, but he makes most of the routine plays with a few great players here and there, is very smart out there, and acts like the leader of the INF the SS needs to be. Plus, his bat certainly makes up for what you lose in D. You can do a whole lot worse at SS than Derek Jeter.

 

If Gordon Beckham can play SS as good as Jeter, I'd be f***ing ecstatic.

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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:13 PM)
On Baseball Tonight, they're trying to say that Derek Jeter isn't a bad defensive shortstop.

 

He's been decent this year, surprisingly. But historically, no.

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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:25 PM)
I wouldn't say he is bad. He's certainly no GG'er out there and is over hyped by the media, but he makes most of the routine plays with a few great players here and there, is very smart out there, and acts like the leader of the INF the SS needs to be. Plus, his bat certainly makes up for what you lose in D. You can do a whole lot worse at SS than Derek Jeter.

 

If Gordon Beckham can play SS as good as Jeter, I'd be f***ing ecstatic.

 

I'm pretty sure Gordon's already better.

 

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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:28 PM)
Considering he's never played a single pitch at SS in his Major League career, that's a pretty big stretch.

 

You don't have to be very good to be better than Derek Jeter.

 

If you take a look at his UZR numbers and his Plus/Minus numbers from the past, it would scare you.

 

Here's a glimpse into how bad he has been...

 

In the past three seasons, Derek Jeter is a -68 at SS in terms of Plus/Minus. Nobody has been worse. The next closest is Hanley Ramirez at -40.

 

Jeter has a career UZR of -39.3 and that's only been over 8 seasons since they started recording the stat. His UZR/150 is -5.7. That means he's going to give up at least 6 runs a year due to his defense. Of course, he does make up for it on offense.

 

This has been the only year in which his UZR is actually above 0, but I don't know how much longer that will last.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:36 PM)
You don't have to be very good to be better than Derek Jeter.

 

If you take a look at his UZR numbers and his Plus/Minus numbers from the past, it would scare you.

 

Here's a glimpse into how bad he has been...

 

In the past three seasons, Derek Jeter is a -68 at SS in terms of Plus/Minus. Nobody has been worse. The next closest is Hanley Ramirez at -40.

 

Jeter has a career UZR of -39.3 and that's only been over 8 seasons since they started recording the stat. His UZR/150 is -5.7. That means he's going to give up at least 6 runs a year due to his defense. Of course, he does make up for it on offense.

 

This has been the only year in which his UZR is actually above 0, but I don't know how much longer that will last.

I understand he is lacking in regards of range compared to most of the other SS. But range is only one facet of defense. He hardly misplays a ball he can get to. Last year, according to "The Fielding Bible", Jeter only misplayed 17 balls he got to (not counting Errors), which was best among everyday SS's in the MLB. And if you added Errors, he's still the best of all MLB short stops.

 

He'll have to move to 2B when he really slows down even more, but for the past 10 years or so, I'd say he's been perfectly fine there. Sure, he doesn't have great or range and his arm leaves something to be desired. But he makes all the routine plays, is usually the smartest player on the field, and is the leader of the infield. And like I already stated, he made up for whatever he lacked on D with his bat.

 

He's not a horrible fielder or a butcher out there, but he isn't a GG.

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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 18, 2009 -> 09:54 PM)
I understand he is lacking in regards of range compared to most of the other SS. But range is only one facet of defense. He hardly misplays a ball he can get to. Last year, according to "The Fielding Bible",Jeter only misplayed 17 balls he got to (not counting Errors), which was best among everyday SS's in the MLB. And if you added Errors, he's still the best of all MLB short stops.

 

He'll have to move to 2B when he really slows down even more, but for the past 10 years or so, I'd say he's been perfectly fine there. Sure, he doesn't have great or range and his arm leaves something to be desired. But he makes all the routine plays, is usually the smartest player on the field, and is the leader of the infield. And like I already stated, he made up for whatever he lacked on D with his bat.

 

He's not a horrible fielder or a butcher out there, but he isn't a GG.

 

There's been countless analysis on Jeter.

 

Basically, Jeter does the things you said he does well. He makes the plays he can get to. Thing is, how many balls did he not get to?

 

That's the thing. It's great that he made the plays on the balls he could get to, but when he can't get to a ball that a fairly average SS can get to, you have yourself a problem.

 

According to Bill James and his Plus/Minus system, Jeter missed 93 routine plays in 2005. That's a whole lot of plays to be missing when a normal SS would have no problems getting to the ball.

 

Jeter has a lot of good intangibles and he's one of the best offensive SS in our era. But that doesn't excuse him from being a totally below average SS.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 03:09 PM)
There's been countless analysis on Jeter.

 

Basically, Jeter does the things you said he does well. He makes the plays he can get to. Thing is, how many balls did he not get to?

 

That's the thing. It's great that he made the plays on the balls he could get to, but when he can't get to a ball that a fairly average SS can get to, you have yourself a problem.

 

According to Bill James and his Plus/Minus system, Jeter missed 93 routine plays in 2005. That's a whole lot of plays to be missing when a normal SS would have no problems getting to the ball.

 

Jeter has a lot of good intangibles and he's one of the best offensive SS in our era. But that doesn't excuse him from being a totally below average SS.

 

Im just curious why you picked 2005? How did he do the last 3 years as well?

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 03:25 PM)
Im just curious why you picked 2005? How did he do the last 3 years as well?

 

Because 2005 is the only year that they released their entire stat sheet for plus/minus to the public for free. You have to pay to see any other year.

 

 

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 05:37 PM)
They still need pitching, not of the Halladay variety, but a guy like Harang would be a decent pickup for them .

 

Gallardo is fine as a #1. But yeah, they need a solid #2.

 

They basically have one #1, 2 #3s at best, and 2 5th starters. I don't know if you can even call Parra a fifth starter.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 05:37 PM)
They still need pitching, not of the Halladay variety, but a guy like Harang would be a decent pickup for them .

 

Reds still probably think they are in it, so Harang is a no go.

 

If we get Halladay, I wouldn't mind trading Contreras. He has pitched admirably since he came back from Charlotte, but I still don't trust him for the long run, and I'd rather get something from him now rather than nothing when he is a FA. And his value is still probably high even after a rough outing today.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 05:19 PM)
Brewers just got Felipe Lopez for Two prospects. Fantastic pickup by the Brew Crew.

 

Good trade for the Brew Crew. Cole Gillespie is a decent spect, but Felipe Lopez will really give that Offense a spark at the top of the order. He's had a really good year this year and has been a good hitter for most of his career. Plus, he has a hot wife:

 

http://www.nationalspride.com/columnists/i...7/02/img002.jpg

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 06:29 PM)
Did I miss a trade or something?

 

All of his moves so far. JP Howell for Joey Gathright, Mike Jacobs as a starting 1B, etc., etc., etc. He has done nothing in the past 2 years or so to improve that ball club at all.

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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 19, 2009 -> 05:21 PM)
All of his moves so far. JP Howell for Joey Gathright, Mike Jacobs as a starting 1B, etc., etc., etc. He has done nothing in the past 2 years or so to improve that ball club at all.

How have their drafts been under his reign? For a team like that, that's really all that matters. Can anyone legitimately say that they have talent progressing at the lower levels or reaching AA around now?

 

For a small market team that's the way you have to do it...plug holes where you can, stay competitive, spend a little money to keep people in the seats, make trades to bring people in but don't sacrifice any young talent in them, sign people with an eye towards affordability and trading them before they walk, and draft well enough that you can develop top of the line talent from your own system, because no one is trading away top of the line talent any more (unless they make Greinke available).

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Jack Wilson and Freddy Sanchez reject extentions

 

Sanchez's offer consisted of a two-year deal worth about $10 million and would have voided his $8 million option for 2010, which will be guaranteed once he makes 600 plate appearances this season. Wilson's offer was also for two years and worth $8 million. It would take the place of his $8.4 million club option for next season, an option that the Pirates have already confirmed will not be picked up.
via MLB Daily Dish from Jenifer Langosch

 

with the twins picking up Mark Grudzielanek, i think the giants might be making some noise, but outside of Angel Villalona and Posey they only have pitching depth in the minors.

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