DaTank Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) CF Jerry Owens C A.J. Pierzynski LF Carlos Quentin RF Jermaine Dye DH Jim Thome 1B Paul Konerko SS Alexei Ramirez 3B Josh Fields 2B Chris Getz SP Mark Buehrle SP Gavin Floyd SP John Danks SP Jeff Marquez SP Clayton Richard CL Bobby Jenks Link Nothing on here that's really a surprise at this point. Edited January 2, 2009 by jenks45monster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And that my folks is an 81-win team at best. There is no way the bottom two of our rotation as currently constructed will allow us to be anything more. I am not pessimistic, just a realist basing off last year's numbers from the two. Marquez sucked in AAA and Richard sucked in the majors. Expecting anything more than 8-10 wins and a 5.00 ERA is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I just puked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) And that my folks is an 81-win team at best. There is no way the bottom two of our rotation as currently constructed will allow us to be anything more. I am not pessimistic, just a realist basing off last year's numbers from the two. Marquez sucked in AAA and Richard sucked in the majors. Expecting anything more than 8-10 wins and a 5.00 ERA is foolish. I agree with you on everything except the Clayton Richard part. He didn't suck the entire time he was with the team. He started off pretty shaky, clearly has a lot to work on, but he pitched great in the playoffs. That was encouraging for me to see from a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Why does Jerry Owens have the edge over Brian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (danman31 @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 10:26 PM) Why does Jerry Owens have the edge over Brian? The same reason he had the edge over Quentin last ST as well. He has a great 40 yard dash time. Too bad outside of Owen's speed, he has no other benefit to a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I don't like AJ batting second. I agree the rotation needs one more proven starter. This team will be a lot like last year's, only winning when the big bopper veterans blast the ball over the fence and the days our bullpen is on, not off. How bout a veteran starter, Kenny? How bout one more trade, talking Paulie or Thome into being moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt4life Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 i want to know why we would put AJ in the 2 hole instead of Getz. AJ is old a and slow, good bat control but slow which is what the team is trying to get away from, I'd be surprised if Getz doesn't get first crack at the 2 spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 No reason to get upset about this yet, as KW and Ozzie would never put such a pathetic team on the field come opening day. Both of them are too competitive to have a roster that has little chance to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'd rather have free swinging Lexi bat second. No need to protect him. He's a good hitter. Give him the extra at bat a game up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 10:29 PM) The same reason he had the edge over Quentin last ST as well. He has a great 40 yard dash time. Too bad outside of Owen's speed, he has no other benefit to a team. That's what I thought. He's awful. He performed the worst between him, Brian and Wise last season. He should barely have consideration to make the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think that will be our team going IN to spring training. Like fathom said... if they suck... no way will KW go into the regular season without making changes... I think that's particularly the case with the young starting pitchers and Owens, but it applies to everybody not just the young guys. This year there are going to be vets looking for jobs all the way up til the start of the regular season. No reason to rush and overpay for crap free agents just because people fear our young guys will suck... before they get a chance to play. Let's see how spring training goes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 No reason to get upset about this yet, as KW and Ozzie would never put such a pathetic team on the field come opening day. Both of them are too competitive to have a roster that has little chance to compete. I can't believe that's you saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Are you guys getting that similar feeling like it was the offseason prior to the 2007 season. KW didn't make a lot of moves, just kind of tweeked the team. We all know how that season turned out... I guess the only difference between that season and this season is that KW is letting more of the youth play. In 2007 the only player given a chance to perform was Danks. This year its going to be Getz, Fields and Owens. Hopefully at least one of those players pans out this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Owens, Fields, Andy Gonzalez (unfortunately) and Wasserman played/pitched a lot in 2007...that's more rookies on the field than we'll have at any point in 2009, fwiw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 11:26 PM) Are you guys getting that similar feeling like it was the offseason prior to the 2007 season? Not sure I'm following you on that one. The 2007 starting lineup had no youth in it. Pods Erstad Thome Konerko Dye Crede Iguchi AJ Uribe And the rotation had only one young player... Danks. Edited January 2, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) That team not only looked old, it looked very pathetic going forward because of our minor league system's lack of anything but Andy Gonzalez and E. Wasserman, among others. I guess Fields was about the only encouraging thing to come out of it, and maybe Jerry Owens for one fairly decent sustained streak of hitting, stealing bases and high OBP. Couple that with Cleveland's resurgence, the spending going on in DET (after the World Series team) and the usual grittiness of the Twins, things looked very, very bleak indeed. Now the AL Central is suddenly like the B10 conference compared to the AL East. Edited January 2, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 11:48 PM) Not sure I'm following you on that one. The 2007 starting lineup had no youth in it. Pods Erstad Thome Konerko Dye Crede Iguchi AJ Uribe And the rotation had only one young player... Danks. All i was trying to say was there were only a few moves then just like we are seeing this offseason... And in 2009- the opening day roster will have more new starters than in that season. For the first time Getz, Fields and Owens will be starters. That season it was just Erstad. (haha how pathetic was Erstad for us?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Getz should be hitting second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 2, 2009 -> 12:02 AM) Getz should be hitting second. I second that motion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ahahaha this can't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 "I'm more set than I think you guys have written and talked about," said Williams with a laugh. "We've got a lot of confidence, but that's not unusual. It's not your job to scout and project players' performance. That's our job, and we'll continue to do that with the best players we put on the field." - Kenny Williams lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jan 2, 2009 -> 01:25 AM) "I'm more set than I think you guys have written and talked about," said Williams with a laugh. "We've got a lot of confidence, but that's not unusual. It's not your job to scout and project players' performance. That's our job, and we'll continue to do that with the best players we put on the field." - Kenny Williams lol I think Brooks Boyer simply is paying off KW with some of his marketing funds, as KW's unbridled/unabashed enthusiasm has been one of the constants this offseason in the face of all the criticism. I don't know if 2008 validated any of his (KW's) theories or not, but he seems to be pretty sure of himself, almost too sure. (Maybe that quote about Detroit turning out to be true has gone to his head?) So either he's playing a great game of poker with Bond and Le Schiffre or we'll still see some twists and turns before the season opener. I know that he would have had a lot to answer for at Sox Fest (not that he would care!) had he done this coming off a non-pennant winning year, and with the tickets rising in price. I'm not sure how many of us are convinced on the message boards, but they say if you keep repeating something to yourself over and over again, i becomes the truth, at least your version of the truth. Maybe KW is telling the truth, or at least what he believes to be the truth. That or we're in for a really tough season again. Edited January 2, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MO2005 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jan 1, 2009 -> 11:26 PM) Are you guys getting that similar feeling like it was the offseason prior to the 2007 season. KW didn't make a lot of moves, just kind of tweeked the team. We all know how that season turned out... I guess the only difference between that season and this season is that KW is letting more of the youth play. In 2007 the only player given a chance to perform was Danks. This year its going to be Getz, Fields and Owens. Hopefully at least one of those players pans out this year. Finally someone who agrees! I have been saying this for the past month and everyday dread the start of this season...That projected lineup doesn't even win 81 games..I say 70-75 tops! There is definitely more youth playing in 2009, but overall common sense knows this team is going to suck bad! Positives (on paper) We have 2 good starters and that's it I put a question mark by Gavin because he had a career year last year. Negatives Richards/Marquez competing for 4 and 5 (that's all I have to say about that) Positives Jerry Owens may steal 40-50 bags Negatives Jerry Owens hits .230 with 0 HR and 20 RBI as leadoff hitter Kenny's offseason quote "pitching and defense wins games and we need a leadoff hitter" My Kenny Williams Interview O.K. Kenny our pitching staff has 2 maybe 3 consistent starters, which means we will have to overuse the bullpen again. What happened when we overused our bullpen last year? Ohh and you say we need a leadoff hitter, but if you are going to use Jerry Owens then why didn't you just say we already have a leadoff hitter for next year. And if you are so high on him, why didn't you use him last year? I know I have a lot of time on my hands and this offseason is aggravating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 just keep repeating, "everything will be fine." fields will hit 30 homers and play decent defense alexei will make the shift to SS and play just as well as cabrera getz will hit .280 and play solid D konerko will rebound to his 2006 performance AJ will catch 135 games, so we don't need a capable backup owens will have an OBP of .360 and steal 50 bases clayton richard's ERA of 6.00 didn't really show his true ability. #5 starters don't matter, everyone's #5 sucks. what's the worry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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