caulfield12 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 5, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) Didn't Burnett already sign with the Yankees? Yeah, I was thinking of Burnett and Sheets interchangeably to make a point. Thanks for catching that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 What would you guys think about someone like Andy Petitte? I noticed he recently rejected the yankees offer to return The New York Times reported late Monday that Pettitte has rejected the Yankees' one-year, $10 million offer, and the Yankees no longer have a standing offer for the 36-year-old left-hander. Perhaps he wants years? He's a great pitcher when healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I would much rather have him than Garland for $10 million per season. He's very unlikely to be with us...I think he prefers Texas or the East Coast. But then there's the 4-5 lefties problem again to rear its ugly head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 01:29 AM) What would you guys think about someone like Andy Petitte? I noticed he recently rejected the yankees offer to return Perhaps he wants years? He's a great pitcher when healthy I think Pettitte wants the Yankees or retirement, from everything I have read anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 I didn't realize that Pettitte is only 36. I say 'only' because I thought he was one of those guys that was pitching into his 40's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 08:14 AM) I didn't realize that Pettitte is only 36. I say 'only' because I thought he was one of those guys that was pitching into his 40's. He's a f***ing roider. Not that that has anything to do with your post! Seems everyone forgot Mr. Pettitte was on the juice too. Edited January 6, 2009 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 08:20 AM) He's a f***ing roider. Not that that has anything to do with your post! Seems everyone forgot Mr. Pettitte was on the juice too. Those steriods were given to him by the latter day saints,so give him a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 08:20 AM) He's a f***ing roider. Not that that has anything to do with your post! Seems everyone forgot Mr. Pettitte was on the juice too. No one ever suggested he was on steroids. He admitted to using HGH. Bid deal. I'm eating a bowl of HGH right now. Either way, Petitte is pitching for the Yankees or he's not pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 nobody cares about PED use now. half the league was/is using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) nobody cares about PED use now. half the league was/is using them. JC Romero cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) I don't care about PED use now. some unknown part of the league was/is using them. Fixed for you. I care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) nobody cares about PED use now. half the league was/is using them. I care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Pettitte turned down a 1 yr 10mil deal with NYY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) nobody cares about PED use now. half the league was/is using them. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:20 AM) Fixed for you. I care. QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 11:44 AM) I care I care mainly because players who aren't on PEDs anymore have usually gotten worse since that time. Pettitte really is no different, and he's much older at this point. I want nothing to do with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) I care mainly because players who aren't on PEDs anymore have usually gotten worse since that time. Pettitte really is no different, and he's much older at this point. I want nothing to do with him. That is one of the reasons why I care. PED's tend to be good in the short term and while they are on them, but as time goes on and/or they stop, they tend to break down pretty badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 (edited) 35 is the new 40. I think this has to be something of a concern with Roberts as well, at least in the back of KW's mind. Maybe even Hudson. We're unlikely to see the players improving or sustaining career numbers well into their late 30's (like Bonds) or improving them. "Prime" years for any baseball player revert back to 26/27-29/30. Players just losing their skills pretty suddenly (like Roberto Alomar) will be more the norm again. Edited January 6, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 01:03 PM) Pettitte turned down a 1 yr 10mil deal with NYY. I'm sure it's because he knows he can get much more out of them. If I were him, and I just saw them hand out the contracts to Burnett, Sabathia, and Teixeira, I'd hold out for some more, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) 35 is the new 40. I think this has to be something of a concern with Roberts as well, at least in the back of KW's mind. Maybe even Hudson. We're unlikely to see the players improving or sustaining career numbers well into their late 30's (like Bonds) or improving them. "Prime" years for any baseball player revert back to 26/27-29/30. Players just losing their skills pretty suddenly (like Roberto Alomar) will be more the norm again. at the same time, there may be players who are actually good players that looked worse during the PED era because everyone else was that much better. For whatever reason...probably naivete...that Mark DeRosa fits into that category rather than as a PED user. It's not often that a dude has the best season of his career at the age of 33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) at the same time, there may be players who are actually good players that looked worse during the PED era because everyone else was that much better. For whatever reason...probably naivete...that Mark DeRosa fits into that category rather than as a PED user. It's not often that a dude has the best season of his career at the age of 33. Willie Bloomquist will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) Willie Bloomquist will. Willie Bloomquist already has, and always will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Interesting rumor. I'd like the idea of Lyon. He had a great 2007 and a great 1st half of 08. I'm assuming something went wrong with him and hopefully it was a minor injury and he'd be better for the 09 season. That would be a nice depth signing for the pen. I'm also really curious to see if the Sox could find a way to free up some cash because given the way the market is they could get some quality prospects for the players traded and than add back some quality FA veterans at discounted rates. Oh and I would take a chance on Pedro for the right price but would prefer a Jon Garland type. Pedro with a heavily incentive based deal would be a nice move if the Sox could get him in semi shape to give them 150 innings. That way they could have a veteran take some time in the rotation which gives Marquez/Poreda a bit more time to develop. Plus I still think Pedro will find a way to have one or two pretty solid seasons because he has good enough secondary stuff to be an above average pitcher without the dominant fastball. Of course you do have some serious injury issues (obviously). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 KW in the tabloid tribune today brushed aside the JG rumors, for what its worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Yeah, so I'm gonna say that this was indeed bull... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 That's a shame. Garland would be an excellent #2 guy to help mentor the younger pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 I don't know, I still think we will sign Garland to a 2 year deal at about 17-18 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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