Sapp vs. Sherman

[doubleM23]

I know Sherman is mad that his guy got hurt, but he is a FOOTBALL coach...

 

Maybe he should stop being a little b****.

[OfficerKarkovice]

Originally posted by doubleM23Maybe he should stop being a little b****.

You're talking about Sapp right??? He's a big f***ing pussy and possibly the most overrated player in the league (next to maybe Jason Sehorn). If Sapp didn't play next to Simeon Rice he would be a bum. He's terrible against the run and takes advantage of the strength of the rest of his line to get some sacks. Yes the hit on the Packer was legal but it was 25 yards away from the play and then on top of that he was dancing and s*** while the guy was laying there without feeling in his legs and fingers. Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice

Originally posted by doubleM23Maybe he should stop being a little b****.

You're talking about Sapp right??? He's a big f***ing pussy and possibly the most overrated player in the league (next to maybe Jason Sehorn). If Sapp didn't play next to Simeon Rice he would be a bum. He's terrible against the run and takes advantage of the strength of the rest of his line to get some sacks. Yes the hit on the Packer was legal but it was 25 yards away from the play and then on top of that he was dancing and s*** while the guy was laying there without feeling in his legs and fingers. Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk.

 

But at least Jason Sehorn's girlfriend is the DA from Law and Order (the one with the long hair...you know) so he is marginally better than Sapp. And at least Sehorn didn't come out when Strahan broke the sack record to whine and piss and moan about how the record was given to him like Sapp did on national TV.

 

Sapp is a 300+ moron with his head so far up his own ass he egoism has no ends. End of story.

[MurcieOne]

I hope that Sapp gets his legs broken..... this isn't just a game at the professional level..... it's a job, by hitting Cliford(i think) not only is he playing dirty he's putting someone's career in danger......

 

What a fat piece s***...... im not a packers fan.... but I am proud of Mike Sherman right now.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice

Originally posted by doubleM23Maybe he should stop being a little b****.

You're talking about Sapp right??? He's a big f***ing pussy and possibly the most overrated player in the league (next to maybe Jason Sehorn). If Sapp didn't play next to Simeon Rice he would be a bum. He's terrible against the run and takes advantage of the strength of the rest of his line to get some sacks. Yes the hit on the Packer was legal but it was 25 yards away from the play and then on top of that he was dancing and s*** while the guy was laying there without feeling in his legs and fingers. Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk.

 

No, I'm talkin' about Sherman. Granted, I'm not defending what Sapp did, but Sherman is an idiot. That games moves so fast, you don't have time to sit down and logically think. Your taught from day 1 of your football career in Pee Wee on an interception, you hit anything not in your jersey or in zebra stripes. It's very easy, in retrospect, to break down a play in slow-mo and pick apart every single thing frame by frame. Had Sapp gone over to the sideline and danced a jig about smashing Clifton, that's another story.

[OfficerKarkovice]

Originally posted by doubleM23No, I'm talkin' about Sherman.  Granted, I'm not defending what Sapp did, but Sherman is an idiot.  That games moves so fast, you don't have time to sit down and logically think.  Your taught from day 1 of your football career in Pee Wee on an interception, you hit anything not in your jersey or in zebra stripes.  It's very easy, in retrospect, to break down a play in slow-mo and pick apart every single thing frame by frame.  Had Sapp gone over to the sideline and danced a jig about smashing Clifton, that's another story.

 

Well he didnt quite make it over to the sideline...he danced his little jig right there on the field...and then followed with these comments:

 

Sapp did not deny that he hunted Clifton out on the play. "Yeah, I was a heat-seeking missile," Sapp said. "Boom. Boom. Boom. And I hit him."

 

And regarding Sherman:

 

Sapp responded afterward by suggesting Sherman cursed at him and then termed the Packers coach "a lying, s***-eating hound....If I was 25 years old and didn't have a kid and a conscience, I would have given him an ass-kicking right there at the 30-yard line."

 

Ok wait so you need to be younger and have to personal ties to go and beat up a 55 year old guy? You're a f***ing ego-maniac asshole Sapp.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice

Originally posted by doubleM23No, I'm talkin' about Sherman.  Granted, I'm not defending what Sapp did, but Sherman is an idiot.  That games moves so fast, you don't have time to sit down and logically think.  Your taught from day 1 of your football career in Pee Wee on an interception, you hit anything not in your jersey or in zebra stripes.  It's very easy, in retrospect, to break down a play in slow-mo and pick apart every single thing frame by frame.  Had Sapp gone over to the sideline and danced a jig about smashing Clifton, that's another story.

 

Well he didnt quite make it over to the sideline...he danced his little jig right there on the field...and then followed with these comments:

 

Sapp did not deny that he hunted Clifton out on the play. "Yeah, I was a heat-seeking missile," Sapp said. "Boom. Boom. Boom. And I hit him."

 

And regarding Sherman:

 

Sapp responded afterward by suggesting Sherman cursed at him and then termed the Packers coach "a lying, s***-eating hound....If I was 25 years old and didn't have a kid and a conscience, I would have given him an ass-kicking right there at the 30-yard line."

 

Ok wait so you need to be younger and have to personal ties to go and beat up a 55 year old guy? You're a f***ing ego-maniac asshole Sapp.

 

No, I think he meant that as a father, he needs to at least resemble some kind of role model to his kids. Whether or not you want to argue how poor of a role model he is, I think that's his point. I think the majority of the human population could kick Mike Sherman's ass if they wanted to.

[soxfan420]

i cant blame sapp for celebrating after you knock the f*** out of someone it just happens i know i did it when i did it. and im sure he didnt think he was hurt or he wouldnt have been. besides there is nothing wrong with show boating a little, but it can go to far

[Spiff]

hey look doub is making himself look like a dips*** again, defending a jackoff like sapp. can't say i'm shocked, but i am laughing at officer owning him like that. "Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk." Classic.

 

btw nobody talks about sehorn anymore, he doesn't even start.

[Chisoxfn]

Yep, after Sehorns' injury people stopped talking about him as much.

 

As far as the play, I didn't see it. I'm sure it was legal and I don't like Sapp because he's a whiner, but I do think Sherman is a damn good head coach.

 

I don't know who was right. Sapp wasn't right to dance right their if the guy was laying out damn near unconsious or something (Didn't see it), but if it didn't look as serious then I see it ok to do a little showboating.

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by OfficerKarkovice

You're talking about Sapp right???  He's a big f***ing pussy and possibly the most overrated player in the league (next to maybe Jason Sehorn).  If Sapp didn't play next to Simeon Rice he would be a bum.  He's terrible against the run and takes advantage of the strength of the rest of his line to get some sacks.  Yes the hit on the Packer was legal but it was 25 yards away from the play and then on top of that he was dancing and s*** while the guy was laying there without feeling in his legs and fingers.  Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk.

 

Sapp is not a bum without Simeon Rice. Sapp had his best years before Rice got to Tampa. He had 12.5 sacks in 1999 and 16.5 in 2000 while Rice was still in Arizona.

 

Also, what do you expect him to do? Stand there and do nothing? Your taught as a defensive player to turn around and find someone to block as soon as a turnover occurs. He saw Clifton, he hit him. End of story. As for his celebration, I seriously doubt that if Sapp would have celebrated if he knew that Clifton was injured. He celebrated because he got a big block on someone.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Spiff

hey look doub is making himself look like a dips*** again, defending a jackoff like sapp. can't say i'm shocked, but i am laughing at officer owning him like that. "Get over yourself jackass you're the only one who wants to hear you talk." Classic.

 

Strap on some pads and go out there and then talk. Granted, I only played at the high school, but even then, on a turnover you hit ANYONE NOT WEARING YOUR UNIFORM. It is drilled into you from day one of defensive practice. There are specific drills ("Seek & Smash" is what our coach) designed to teach players to do exactly what Sapp did. I guarantee 100% if the tables were turned, and a Packer defensive lineman had drilled a Buccaneer offensive lineman on a pick, Sherman would have told him, "Good job."

 

I can tell you from experience (as a safety, not a lineman, mind you), that they tell us to what Warren Sapp did. I guarantee coaches are going to show their kids that clip, point to it and say, "DO THAT!"

 

As for the dance, I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

 

But the hit was clean. And good.

[Spiff]

Originally posted by doubleM23Strap on some pads and go out there and then talk.  Granted, I only played at the high school, but even then, on a turnover you hit ANYONE NOT WEARING YOUR UNIFORM.  It is drilled into you from day one of defensive practice.  There are specific drills ("Seek & Smash" is what our coach) designed to teach players to do exactly what Sapp did.  I guarantee 100% if the tables were turned, and a Packer defensive lineman had drilled a Buccaneer offensive lineman on a pick, Sherman would have told him, "Good job."

 

I can tell you from experience (as a safety, not a lineman, mind you), that they tell us to what Warren Sapp did.  I guarantee coaches are going to show their kids that clip, point to it and say, "DO THAT!"

 

As for the dance, I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

 

But the hit was clean.  And good.

 

You are a dips***. Plain and simple. The guy was basically standing still, he wasn't going to make any tackle. Sapp f***ing left his feet to dive into him. If he had hit a quarterback you know he'd be fined, maybe even suspended. I don't care what your powder puff coach told you, it has nothing to do with that play.

[Mr. Showtime]

Originally posted by Spiff

You are a dips***. Plain and simple. The guy was basically standing still, he wasn't going to make any tackle. Sapp f***ing left his feet to dive into him. If he had hit a quarterback you know he'd be fined, maybe even suspended. I don't care what your powder puff coach told you, it has nothing to do with that play.

 

nice.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Spiff

Originally posted by doubleM23Strap on some pads and go out there and then talk.  Granted, I only played at the high school, but even then, on a turnover you hit ANYONE NOT WEARING YOUR UNIFORM.  It is drilled into you from day one of defensive practice.  There are specific drills ("Seek & Smash" is what our coach) designed to teach players to do exactly what Sapp did.  I guarantee 100% if the tables were turned, and a Packer defensive lineman had drilled a Buccaneer offensive lineman on a pick, Sherman would have told him, "Good job."

 

I can tell you from experience (as a safety, not a lineman, mind you), that they tell us to what Warren Sapp did.  I guarantee coaches are going to show their kids that clip, point to it and say, "DO THAT!"

 

As for the dance, I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

 

But the hit was clean.  And good.

 

You are a dips***. Plain and simple. The guy was basically standing still, he wasn't going to make any tackle. Sapp f***ing left his feet to dive into him. If he had hit a quarterback you know he'd be fined, maybe even suspended. I don't care what your powder puff coach told you, it has nothing to do with that play.

 

Wow, you really are thick aren't you? Why don't you go run out on a field with some other 300 pound goliaths and see how fast your brain stops working. Anyone that would know anything about actually stepping out on a field and playing the game (not just watching it on TV) would know what I'm talking about. Rule 1 on defense is hit everything.

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

88-84. Just saying. You figure it out.

 

 

But while Sapp didn't have to block Clifton, that IS what he is taught to do. Whether you like it or not. Bernstein had a good point on the Score today. If you say that that block was unnecessary, then where do you draw the line? If he is 15 yards away from the play, do you block him then? How about 10 yards? What if Brian Kelly had cut back across the field and hoped to pick up some blocks, and then was tackled by Clifton and fumbled the ball? What do you think Sapp would hear about then? Why didn't you block that guy!?

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Jjav829

Originally posted by doubleM23

 

88-84. Just saying. You figure it out.

 

 

But while Sapp didn't have to block Clifton, that IS what he is taught to do. Whether you like it or not. Bernstein had a good point on the Score today. If you say that that block was unnecessary, then where do you draw the line? If he is 15 yards away from the play, do you block him then? How about 10 yards? What if Brian Kelly had cut back across the field and hoped to pick up some blocks, and then was tackled by Clifton and fumbled the ball? What do you think Sapp would hear about then? Why didn't you block that guy!?

 

I know... Tough loss to swallow... We really could have, should have... but in the end... didn't win this one. Once Robinson got heaved, I figured that would be the end of it, since Bailey and the rest of LU's backcourt coudl really run circles around us. Great game, though, and not too much shame in losing. I look forward to Loyola's visit to Carver next year.

 

And good points. I understand that when you show the block over and over again in slow mo and you count out the yards and inches between Clifton and Kelly while the shot is paused, Sapp looks like a real piece of s***; but you don't have time to do that while playing. He did his job.

 

Whether or not he celebrated I don't know, but if he was, I honestly doubt he was celebrating that he put one of his peers in the hospital and possibly out for the year... He's probably celebrating over lighting someone up. You can debate the "morality" of that, but anyone who's ever lit someone up on a football field knows the kind of rush you get. However, I cannot speak for Sapp, so I don't know what was going on in his mind. If he did celebrate about hurting Clifton, that's an entirely different story. I'm sorry Clifton got hurt, but this is football; not curling.

[Spiff]

What about the fact that the guy couldn't feel his limbs? Does that matter to you? Is it all about defending the f***er who launched himself into a defenseless guy? A few weeks ago you couldn't go five minutes without hearing about a fine for hitting a reciever in a defenseless position, and that was when they were involved in the play! Now you say this is somehow different? f*** you. How about YOU lay on the stretcher with no movement in your arms and legs and tell me it wasn't a cheap shot, if that is what you are all about, getting on the field and putting yourself in their position. You go out on the field and lay there with no idea whether you're gonna be able to walk again, and tell me it was a good hit.

 

You pretend because you f***ed around in high school football that it is somehow similar to the NFL. You never played against anyone comparable to Warren Sapp.

 

You never cease to amaze me with your bulls***. Never. I have never wished anything harrowing to happen to anyone, but you try my patience. You sit there in your little f***ing bubble and try to tell people how s*** is. You are always there with your smarmy opinions about s*** you don't know about.

 

Just wait til something happens to you, we'll see how diplomatic you are.

[Jjav829]

Originally posted by doubleM23

I know... Tough loss to swallow... We really could have, should have... but in the end... didn't win this one.  Once Robinson got heaved, I figured that would be the end of it, since Bailey and the rest of LU's backcourt coudl really run circles around us.  Great game, though, and not too much shame in losing.  I look forward to Loyola's visit to Carver next year.

 

And good points.  I understand that when you show the block over and over again in slow mo and you count out the yards and inches between Clifton and Kelly while the shot is paused, Sapp looks like a real piece of s***; but you don't have time to do that while playing.  He did his job.

 

Whether or not he celebrated I don't know, but if he was, I honestly doubt he was celebrating that he put one of his peers in the hospital and possibly out for the year... He's probably celebrating over lighting someone up.  You can debate the  "morality" of that, but anyone who's ever lit someone up on a football field knows the kind of rush you get.  However, I cannot speak for Sapp, so I don't know what was going on in his mind.  If he did celebrate about hurting Clifton, that's an entirely different story.  I'm sorry Clifton got hurt, but this is football; not curling.

 

Well Bradley made it real interesting in the end but Loyola pulled it out.

 

For those questioning Sapp's moves, put yourself in his situation and think about it like this. You play DT and are used to get a lot of cheap shots throw at you in the trenches. You don't really get to put big hits on guys a lot. So your teammate gets an INT, and you now have a chance to become the blocker instead of the blocked. You find the first guy you see and block him. You don't know exactly where your teammate is, you just know that he has the ball and is in the process of returning it, and you haven't heard a whistle blow yet. So you get to do what every NFL player likes to do. Get a big hit on somebody. You hit him hard and get a pancake block. You've managed to put him on the ground, and your teammate has the INT. Are you going to stand around like nothing happened. Hell no! You've got a lot of adrenaline going throw you because of a big play, and the fact that you got to do something that you like to do, block someone. Keep in mind this all took place in less than 20 seconds. This IS NOT something that you think about. Football is largely played by instincts. You don't have time to think about much, you just do whatever your instincts tell you to do.

 

Do you honestly think that if he knew the guy was hurt, that he would have celebrated? Players are always being knocked down by big hits and the guys doing the hitting celebrate. Most of the time the player just has the wind knocked out of him, or was just hit so hard that it takes him a few seconds to get up. Rarely is the player seriously injured. You can't honestly expect him to not celebrate. The funny thing is these plays happen all the time. Just about everytime there is an interception, the blocks start flying. You think a safety doesn't love to get a free hit on a WR or RB? If you make a move that looks like you are trying to make a play, your fair game. It's the NFL rule. It's unfortunate that the guy was injured, but Sapp was doing his job.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Spiff

What about the fact that the guy couldn't feel his limbs? Does that matter to you? Is it all about defending the f***er who launched himself into a defenseless guy? A few weeks ago you couldn't go five minutes without hearing about a fine for hitting a reciever in a defenseless position, and that was when they were involved in the play! Now you say this is somehow different? f*** you. How about YOU lay on the stretcher with no movement in your arms and legs and tell me it wasn't a cheap shot, if that is what you are all about, getting on the field and putting yourself in their position. You go out on the field and lay there with no idea whether you're gonna be able to walk again, and tell me it was a good hit. 

 

You pretend because you f***ed around in high school football that it is somehow similar to the NFL. You never played against anyone comparable to Warren Sapp. 

 

You never cease to amaze me with your bulls***. Never. I have never wished anything harrowing to happen to anyone, but you try my patience. You sit there in your little f***ing bubble and try to tell people how s*** is. You are always there with your smarmy opinions about s*** you don't know about. 

 

Just wait til something happens to you, we'll see how diplomatic you are.

 

And your NOT telling me how s*** is? What a f***ing hypocrite you are! All I'm saying is that Sapp is recieving unfair heat for what he did, yet your trying to paint him as the Anti-christ for doing his damn job. Do I feel bad that a guy is seriously hurt? Yes. But this is football, where people tend to get hurt. Hell, I can't play football and baseball any more because I got thrown a cheap shot by a dick and hurt my knee and then the next spring another f***nut spiked me in the same knee and caused some super fun ligament damage. So yeah, tough guy... I kind of know what it feels like to get hurt and taken off the field in an ambulance. It's not a very pleasant experience looking at your knee bend the wrong way.

 

And watch your mouth. Granted, I don't know what life is like on the mean streets of Westchester (or whatever assmonkey town your from), Massachusetts are like, but growing up in Chicago (yes, I grew up IN the city), I've seen my fair share of garbage I'd rather not have dealt with.

 

But I guess it's fun being a judgmental prick over the internet, eh?

[Spiff]

Originally posted by doubleM23

Originally posted by Spiff

What about the fact that the guy couldn't feel his limbs? Does that matter to you? Is it all about defending the f***er who launched himself into a defenseless guy? A few weeks ago you couldn't go five minutes without hearing about a fine for hitting a reciever in a defenseless position, and that was when they were involved in the play! Now you say this is somehow different? f*** you. How about YOU lay on the stretcher with no movement in your arms and legs and tell me it wasn't a cheap shot, if that is what you are all about, getting on the field and putting yourself in their position. You go out on the field and lay there with no idea whether you're gonna be able to walk again, and tell me it was a good hit. 

 

You pretend because you f***ed around in high school football that it is somehow similar to the NFL. You never played against anyone comparable to Warren Sapp. 

 

You never cease to amaze me with your bulls***. Never. I have never wished anything harrowing to happen to anyone, but you try my patience. You sit there in your little f***ing bubble and try to tell people how s*** is. You are always there with your smarmy opinions about s*** you don't know about. 

 

Just wait til something happens to you, we'll see how diplomatic you are.

 

And your NOT telling me how s*** is? What a f***ing hypocrite you are! All I'm saying is that Sapp is recieving unfair heat for what he did, yet your trying to paint him as the Anti-christ for doing his damn job. Do I feel bad that a guy is seriously hurt? Yes. But this is football, where people tend to get hurt. Hell, I can't play football and baseball any more because I got thrown a cheap shot by a dick and hurt my knee and then the next spring another f***nut spiked me in the same knee and caused some super fun ligament damage. So yeah, tough guy... I kind of know what it feels like to get hurt and taken off the field in an ambulance. It's not a very pleasant experience looking at your knee bend the wrong way.

 

And watch your mouth. Granted, I don't know what life is like on the mean streets of Westchester (or whatever assmonkey town your from), Massachusetts are like, but growing up in Chicago (yes, I grew up IN the city), I've seen my fair share of garbage I'd rather not have dealt with.

 

But I guess it's fun being a judgmental prick over the internet, eh?

 

Exactly where am I being a hypocrite? Where am I pretending to know everything like you do? Where is this I wanna see it.

 

I don't care about your goddamn knee injuries already. It's not the same. Nobody wants to hear your f***ing life story. Next we will be hearing about when you spilled your milk when you were six. Though it is amazing you have gone a few posts without mentioning that you are in college now. I am beginning to wonder if you are still there, I NEED CONFIRMATION GODDAMIT.

 

And oooooohhhh insulting my town. You're a big man now. Like I don't do that every day or something. But I wanna be cool like you so f*** YOUR ASS MONKEY CITY OF CHICAGO ONLY HOMOS LIVE THERE. Look we are accomplishing things.

 

And I may not be as street smart as you, (did you see a homeless man once? did you cry? did i touch a nerve?) but I do know you don't sucker punch someone. Which is exactly what Sapp did.

 

But he's not the one I think is the anti-christ...

[Chisoxfn]

You know, one of these days you two are going to finally agree on something. I'm just thinking we aught to start a pool to figure out how long it will take, lol.

[doubleM23]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

You know, one of these days you two are going to finally agree on something.  I'm just thinking we aught to start a pool to figure out how long it will take, lol. 

 

Hey, we agreed that the Redskins suck.

 

And that the other one is a moron.

[Chisoxfn]

Ah yes, I forgot about that. I guess it means you won't agree again until 2003.

[OfficerKarkovice]

OK regardless of whether the hit was legal, cheap, whatever...that wasn't the main problem. Sapp is a f***ing egomaniac who is more concerned with making a huge hit and showboating and making sure the cameras see him. THE GUY COULDN'T FEEL HIS LEGS and even now he's still in the hospital with a season, and perhaps carreer ending injury. You might say that well when he was dancing he didn't know he was hurt...well how about after the game after the guy got carried out on the stretcher and Sapp was still pumped about making the hit and bragging about it...he's a f***ing egomaniac asshole and there is no denying it.