DaTank Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Link Infielders C - A.J. Pierzynski 1B - Paul Konerko - Wilson Betemit 2B - Chris Getz - Jayson Nix - Brent Lillibridge SS - Alexei Ramirez - Brent Lillibridge 3B - Wilson Betemit - Josh Fields - Dayan Viciedo LF - Carlos Quentin - Jerry Owens - DeWayne Wise CF - Brian Anderson - Jerry Owens - DeWayne Wise RF - Jermaine Dye - Jerry Owens DH - Jim Thome Starting Pitchers #1. Mark Buehrle #2. John Danks #3. Gavin Floyd #4. Bartolo Colon #5. Clayton Richard #6. Lance Broadway #7. Jose Contreras #8. Aaron Poreda Relievers Closer - Bobby Jenks Octavio Dotel Scott Linebrink Matt Thornton D.J. Carrasco Ehren Wasserman Adam Russell Kelvin Jimenez I'm a little surprised that Betemit is penciled in at 3rd and that Anderson is penciled in at CF considering the organization's fetish for Owens. No chance of Marquez as a starter? I know that we still have a few months to go but with the way KW talks about Marquez you'd figure he'd be somewhere on the SP depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) This really doesn't make much sense. How can Marquez be off the board, and Contreras won't even pitch until May in the big leagues, if not June? How can anyone be behind Lance Broadway? Contreras shouldn't be listed at all until he's ready to pitch...as he's not relevant yet. As Ozzie said about Joe Crede last year, talk about players on the roster that can help today, not maybe, not in the future. Jerry Owens will never, ever play RF for the White Sox, that's too funny. Shows the RF depth we have....which is really Carlos Quentin. I don't think Nix should be ahead of Lillibridge at 2B either...this must simply be because Lillibridge hasn't played there very much recently, as he's perceived at this point in his career as more of a SS. I would think that Link/Nunez/Wasserman/Russell/Jimenez are all about even for the last bullpen spot. It shows you the ? surrounding the back-up catching position. Armstrong? Miller? Stewart? Flowers? (Of course Flowers will be in minors, but it would be interesting to see who KW felt was the favorite at this point in the offseason there). And then Beckham hasn't been listed either, but that's certainly not a surprise. Edited January 19, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) I'm a little surprised that Betemit is penciled in at 3rd and that Anderson is penciled in at CF considering the organization's fetish for Owens. No chance of Marquez as a starter? I know that we still have a few months to go but with the way KW talks about Marquez you'd figure he'd be somewhere on the SP depth chart. I doubt there is anything 'official' about this list. Probably just put together by some mlb.com employee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) This really doesn't make much sense. How can Marquez be off the board, and Contreras won't even pitch until May in the big leagues, if not June? How can anyone be behind Lance Broadway? Contreras shouldn't be listed at all until he's ready to pitch...as he's not relevant yet. As Ozzie said about Joe Crede last year, talk about players on the roster that can help today, not maybe, not in the future. Is Marquez on the 40 man yet? He may not have started his arbitration clock yet, that might be why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) Is Marquez on the 40 man yet? He may not have started his arbitration clock yet, that might be why. Marquez is on the 40 man roster. Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (scenario @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 11:43 PM) I doubt there is anything 'official' about this list. Probably just put together by some mlb.com employee. QFT, this chart is derived from one of the mlb.com guys making an objective assessment this doesn’t come from the big guys upstairs. As for the real one I’d say we're looking at C AJ, Stewart, Armstrong, Lucy 1b Konerko, Thome, Betemit, Fields 2b Getz, Lillibridge, Nix, Betemit, Ramirez 3b Fields, Betemit, Viciedo SS Ramirez, Lillibridge, Betemit RF Dye, Betemit, Q CF Owens, BA, Lillibridge, Ramirez LF Q, Wise, Betemit DH Thome, Konerko, Fields Buehrle Floyd Danks Colon Marquez/CR/AP, Contreras Richard/Poreda Russell Carrasco Thorton Linebrink Dotel Jenks Edited January 19, 2009 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 09:05 PM) Marquez is on the 40 man roster. Link Yeah, but I don't think he's made an appearance in the big leagues yet has he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I smell 4th place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 If you went by KW's comments, you'd have to insert Marquez at #5 (as the favorite), Owens starting in CF and Fields starting at 3B. As of today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTank Posted January 19, 2009 Author Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 11:10 PM) Yeah, but I don't think he's made an appearance in the big leagues yet has he? No, he hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) How about Flowers making the team out of spring training as the backup catcher, 1st base and dh. Edited January 19, 2009 by forrestg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 11:10 PM) I smell 4th place Didn't we hear the same thing last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 10:10 PM) I smell 4th place What a surprise, you're usually so upbeat. We'll win the division again, and go further in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitlesswonder Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 09:00 AM) What a surprise, you're usually so upbeat. We'll win the division again, and go further in the playoffs. Because this team is better than 2008 in what way? Vazquez, Orlando Cabrera, Crede pre-injury and Contreras pre-injury we're all pretty good and are being replaced by people that likely will not perform as well. And Owens will likely not be an improvement over 2008 Swisher. Anything can happen in baseball, but I think saying the 2009 Sox are worse than 2008 is rational. And 4th place is more likely than getting to the ALCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 11:10 PM) I smell 4th place Just like last year. Hell, last year fourth was a stretch for some people. If they could they would have had us in 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 12:10 AM) I smell 4th place Because Mark DeRosa and Mike Jacobs are really going to turn their teams around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (jenks45monster @ Jan 18, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) Link Infielders C - A.J. Pierzynski 1B - Paul Konerko - Wilson Betemit 2B - Chris Getz - Jayson Nix - Brent Lillibridge SS - Alexei Ramirez - Brent Lillibridge 3B - Wilson Betemit - Josh Fields - Dayan Viciedo LF - Carlos Quentin - Jerry Owens - DeWayne Wise CF - Brian Anderson - Jerry Owens - DeWayne Wise RF - Jermaine Dye - Jerry Owens DH - Jim Thome Starting Pitchers #1. Mark Buehrle #2. John Danks #3. Gavin Floyd #4. Bartolo Colon #5. Clayton Richard #6. Lance Broadway #7. Jose Contreras #8. Aaron Poreda Relievers Closer - Bobby Jenks Octavio Dotel Scott Linebrink Matt Thornton D.J. Carrasco Ehren Wasserman Adam Russell Kelvin Jimenez our team is looking great lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (hitlesswonder @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 08:29 AM) Because this team is better than 2008 in what way? Vazquez, Orlando Cabrera, Crede pre-injury and Contreras pre-injury we're all pretty good and are being replaced by people that likely will not perform as well. And Owens will likely not be an improvement over 2008 Swisher. Anything can happen in baseball, but I think saying the 2009 Sox are worse than 2008 is rational. And 4th place is more likely than getting to the ALCS. Resons why we'll be better in '09 - asked and answered. - Vazquez was 4 games below .500 on a team that won 89. Colon may well be an upgrade. - Alexei will be a contributor before mid-May. - Danks and Floyd now have real confidence. Why do so many want to think their performance was a fluke, especially Floyd? The only thing I don't like about Gavin is his lousiness at holding runners. Count and Freddy remained effective despite this same glaring weakness. - The bullpen should be augmented by an additional effective lefty in Poreda. Maybe another in Richard when Count returns. - Crede's and Contreras' contributions were only in the first half, and Crede couldn't throw for s***, due to his bad back. Count will probably be there in the 2nd half this time. - One of Getz OR Lillibridge OR Nix will likely be solid, probably Getz. - The OC had a .334 OBP, AJ had a .312 OBP in the 2 hole, and Uribe had a .296 OBP in the 9 hole. Even if Owens plays a lot of the season (I'm guessing he'll get replaced), our sluggers will likely see more ducks on the pond. - Q will be there for the playoffs this time. - Josh Fields may well hit better than Crede, though his defense is shaky, granted. He'll be tradeable when Viciedo emerges. - Konerko is likely to have a better year. - Beckham and Viciedo will very possibly contribute in '09. Maybe in a very large way. - Swisher won't be playing CF, at all. Owens' speed alone ( I know he blows) will make the OF defense somewhat better. A lot of ?'s to be sure, and, believe me, Owens and Marquez do not instill ANY confidence in me, but we'll have better options soon enough. Stan's Glass HALF FULL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) our team is looking great lol.... You have 1 position player, the 5th SP, the 4th and 5th OFs, and the back of the bullpen labeled there (not to mention that some of those excess starters are probably gonna end up in the bullpen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 11:45 AM) Resons why we'll be better in '09 - asked and answered. - Vazquez was 4 games below .500 on a team that won 89. Colon may well be an upgrade. - Alexei will be a contributor before mid-May. - Danks and Floyd now have real confidence. Why do so many want to think their performance was a fluke, especially Floyd? The only thing I don't like about Gavin is his lousiness at holding runners. Count and Freddy remained effective despite this same glaring weakness. - The bullpen should be augmented by an additional effective lefty in Poreda. Maybe another in Richard when Count returns. - Crede's and Contreras' contributions were only in the first half, and Crede couldn't throw for s***, due to his bad back. Count will probably be there in the 2nd half this time. - One of Getz OR Lillibridge OR Nix will likely be solid, probably Getz. - The OC had a .334 OBP, AJ had a .312 OBP in the 2 hole, and Uribe had a .296 OBP in the 9 hole. Even if Owens plays a lot of the season (I'm guessing he'll get replaced), our sluggers will likely see more ducks on the pond. - Q will be there for the playoffs this time. - Josh Fields may well hit better than Crede, though his defense is shaky, granted. He'll be tradeable when Viciedo emerges. - Konerko is likely to have a better year. - Beckham and Viciedo will very possibly contribute in '09. Maybe in a very large way. - Swisher won't be playing CF, at all. Owens' speed alone ( I know he blows) will make the OF defense somewhat better. A lot of ?'s to be sure, and, believe me, Owens and Marquez do not instill ANY confidence in me, but we'll have better options soon enough. Stan's Glass HALF FULL. That's a whole lot of iffs and prayers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 11:48 AM) You have 1 position player, the 5th SP, the 4th and 5th OFs, and the back of the bullpen labeled there (not to mention that some of those excess starters are probably gonna end up in the bullpen). i think we have a hole at 2b, 3b, cf, 4th sp, 5th sp, a spot or 2 in the pen and i dont care too much for our bench( such as back up catcher) QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 11:45 AM) Resons why we'll be better in '09 - asked and answered. - Q will be there for the playoffs this time.- Josh Fields may well hit better than Crede, though his defense is shaky, granted. He'll be tradeable when Viciedo emerges. thats not for sure Edited January 19, 2009 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 11:56 AM) i think we have a hole at 2b, 3b, cf, 4th sp, 5th sp, a spot or 2 in the pen and i dont care too much for our bench( such as back up catcher) thats not for sure We don't have holes in those positions... we have unproven players. There's a difference. For example... Last year we started the season with similar 'holes' in LF, 2B, and both the #4/5 starters... Because Quentin, Alexei, Danks, and Floyd were all unproven going into 2008. Thank God we didn't go out and fill those 'holes' with over-priced POC free agents... and instead let the unproven players have a shot. Edited January 19, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 10:49 AM) That's a whole lot of iffs and prayers. I prefer to stay positive. IMO KW has earned the benefit of the doubt in assembling the roster. I really think that Slayer is on a super-fast track to MLB and will be brought up soon in '09. I just hope the brass doesn't get caught up in thinking he has too much power/not enough speed for leading off. If he shows enough patience (and he has shown patience), he could become a dynamic leadoff hitter, and I think this kid will thrive in the spotlight. Looking at the CURRENT '09 projected lineup, I can understand some negativity. I really believe that the start the team gets in off to in April is crucial. But if we don't get buried early (and our schedule is more favorable early), we could be real good late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I admit our rotation looks a lot better to me with a veteran as No. 4 starter. Tell me ... can Colon pitch? Are you folks hopeful? My other queston mark is Betemit. Again are you folks hopeful? The lineup could go either way. It seems to me it's all on CQ and Lexi. We pretty much know what we are gonna get out of the big boppers. Can CQ and Lexi carry the club? Maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 19, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) I admit our rotation looks a lot better to me with a veteran as No. 4 starter. Tell me ... can Colon pitch? Are you folks hopeful? My other queston mark is Betemit. Again are you folks hopeful? The lineup could go either way. It seems to me it's all on CQ and Lexi. We pretty much know what we are gonna get out of the big boppers. Can CQ and Lexi carry the club? Maybe. Colon looked pretty damn good at times last year, im hoping he is in even better shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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