southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Reinsdorf was on AM1000 just a second ago, and was asked about Kenny Williams statements that implied JM was on the hot seat. He made it very clear, that isn't how those statements should be taken. He offered a couple of other lame possible explanations, but made it clear that Jerry wasn't going anywhere. Does anyone think that Kenny was speaking out of turn again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 Does anyone think that Kenny was speaking out of turn again? doesnt he always????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 what KW said was acceptable and true. there was no reason for him not to say this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 what KW said was acceptable and true. there was no reason for him not to say this. i dont think it was what he said, as opposed to what he implied when saying it......he beat around the bush, where as jr just came flat out and said it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. Maybe he meant that it wasn't going to be a few days and that he would be fired tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. Maybe he meant that it wasn't going to be a few days and that he would be fired tomorrow he was asked....are we to take from what kw said eariler .. that jm was to be fired in the upcoming week... and jr replied...no those comments were not to be taken as such.....he said he had no intentions of firing jm at the present time or any time in the near future, and a few other things but i honestly wasnt paying much attention to it at that point .......then went onto saying stuff about how they are looking to heat things up for the second half of the season.. they are doing everything they can to produce a winning team.. blah blah blah.......so take it however you want to....will it even matter??? from the rumored choices in replacements were no better off than what we have now.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#2 Nelson Fox 1959 MVP Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. How would that be a lie? Manuel isn't fired yet, and the boss says that what Williams said should not be taken that he would be fired. It's what someone else wrote here earlier, Williams said nothing at all and everyone thinks he implied something. Reinsdorf said there was no implying anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I just heard Manuel is in fact on the hot seat and could be gone tomorrow. this is coming from a source that isn't the radio or chicago media. is it true? I don't know, but I've heard very similar stories from a few sources since Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. How would that be a lie? Manuel isn't fired yet, and the boss says that what Williams said should not be taken that he would be fired. It's what someone else wrote here earlier, Williams said nothing at all and everyone thinks he implied something. Reinsdorf said there was no implying anything. r u the nelson fox from wsi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I just heard Manuel is in fact on the hot seat and could be gone tomorrow. this is coming from a source that isn't the radio or chicago media. is it true? I don't know, but I've heard very similar stories from a few sources since Sunday. malto since sunday i have heard that jm was to go by wednesday .... i also heard that he wasnt going anywhere both rumors from different but very reliable sources who work in the same place only a few offices away from eachother on veek drive... if in fact he does go.... those rumored to be replacements are any better????? i dont think so.....it would leave us with exactly what we have now or worse......mho......what do you think???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 We hear rumors all the time about Manuel being fired and earlier it was both Manuel and Williams getting the axe, but their both still here and if reinsdorf says Manuel isn't getting fired I believe it. I don't think Williams spoke out of turn either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 the replacement could be anybody, it is a rumor insider a rumor. IF manuel is fired these three MAY be the main options. Manuel could be fired and his replacement could be someone good. as far as the three mentioned? I can't comment on any of the three guys. Fergosi managed here back in the late 80s, when I was too young to understand, so I can't comment much from him. I haven't seen Francona manage so I can't comment too much on him. Bell, I'd have to agree, wouldn't be the best option. I think Manuel is a smart guy and a decent manager, but has had too many chances here and needs to go. even if the replacement is just as bad Manuel, it will be a change, which at this time, is a MUST. someone who can simply fire this team up and keep them at a high intensity is the main thing as this team is talented enough to win games on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 granted its a rumor inside of a rumor but these three guys have been named as replacements for the rumors sake...they didnt say it was just anyone replacing him they specifically said it was one of these three who the sox were talking to for replacements.....read the articles in the papers and such... they all name these guys as replacements... fregosi was here from 86-88.. and in that time he took this team to records of 45-51, 77-85, and 71-90 respectivly..... not that impressive nor that far from what were doing at present....no titles, and his management style was pretty much like jm's .. laid back..no improvement there....... francona with the phillies from 97-2000.. in that time frame he managed to keep the phillies at records of 68-94, 75-87,77-85, 65-97...not that impressive either.....dont know about his style since i have never paid it that much attention but im sure his record with the phills can speak for itself.... :puke they also had fergosi before francona and didnt do that great....they are better off with bowa..... bell had horrid seasons with the tigers from 96-98 and not all that good with the rockies from 2000-2002......bad enough they dumped him, and brought in hurdle.. again i cant say on his style of managing cause i dont pay the nl that much attention, but im sure that none of these guys can be all that great a replacement for jm... so lets just say for rumors sake that these are the guys we get or keep jm.. which is the lesser of the evils?????? id stay with jm quite honestly....hes done better than these guys have....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 he flat out said JM won't be fired? that doesn't make any sense and is more of a lie, worse than beating around the bush. How would that be a lie? Manuel isn't fired yet, and the boss says that what Williams said should not be taken that he would be fired. It's what someone else wrote here earlier, Williams said nothing at all and everyone thinks he implied something. Reinsdorf said there was no implying anything. Basically Reinsdorf is covering all grounds, imo. He doesn't want anything being reported either way and he figures this will quiet things down till after the game. I also think Jerry is saying that something will be done, whether its firing the manager or trades. The question is what will it be and is their a possibility that both happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 you are basing it on their playing records with the Phils, Tigers and Rockies, three of the worse teams over the past decade? I think we have to at least find out more about them before we start judging them. anyway, a change is needed, and like I said, this team is good enough to win on its own, it simply needs a manager who can fuel this team and keep their intensity and focus at a high level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I've got to ask, if we fired Manuel, why not take a "risk" and hire Backman? He seems to be able to take teams that look like s*** and turn them into winners(Birmingham is around .500 this year with very little offense, right?). He has a winning record, albeit in the minors, but he plays winning baseball, and he'd be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I'm not a big fan of any of those names, but I've heard some good things about Fregosi. I'm gonna hold out for Tom Kelly though. Hey, If I'm going to hope I'm gonna hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I've got to ask, if we fired Manuel, why not take a "risk" and hire Backman? He seems to be able to take teams that look like s*** and turn them into winners(Birmingham is around .500 this year with very little offense, right?). He has a winning record, albeit in the minors, but he plays winning baseball, and he'd be cheap. I have no idea why they wouldn't hire Backman, unless they don't want to go with an inexperienced manager at the major league level. Well, that or these rumors are off and Backman really is the main candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I'm gonna hold out for Tom Kelly though. Hey, If I'm going to hope I'm gonna hope for the best. I thought you we're the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I thought you we're the best? Well I'm the best GM candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 Well I'm the best GM candidate My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 If JR doesn't fire JM quickly..... like Wednesday morning at 12 noon quickly..... then that should tell White Sox fans about JR and his "commitment" to winning it all this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 you are basing it on their playing records with the Phils, Tigers and Rockies, three of the worse teams over the past decade? I think we have to at least find out more about them before we start judging them. anyway, a change is needed, and like I said, this team is good enough to win on its own, it simply needs a manager who can fuel this team and keep their intensity and focus at a high level. i base it on their records cause thats what there is to base it on.. dont you guys base how good a player is on his stats????? well those are the managers stats.....their records.... how they managed the team.. led them to their destinys......if they cant take a crap team and push it up a bit what makes you think that any of them can take a good team and make them better???????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 agreed cubkilla. I'm one of the few who believe Manuel has been ripped unfairly, BUT he has had his chances the past couple years. firing Manuel will show they are interested in winning, who they get as his replacement CAN further prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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