greg775 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 The first question to set Williams off, however, was from a fan who said he was glad the club let Joe Crede go, adding a bad pun about Crede being a ''pain in the back.'' Crede has suffered from back problems for the last two seasons. Williams told the fan: ''I have a World Series ring somewhere in my house, and I wouldn't if it wasn't for Joe Crede. ''Don't be so fickle. Joe Crede dragged his ass out there for a lot of games when he couldn't move. Don't go there with me.'' The same fan ripped the club for signing Bartolo Colon over Jon Garland and asked Williams, ''Do you really think Colon will be better than Garland?'' Williams' response: ''He might be, yes.'' Way to put that stupid ass fan in his place. I mean my god, we win a World Series for the first time in 10 zillion years partly because of Joe f***ing Crede and some moron gets up and cracks some stupid pun about getting rid of Crede and his being a "pain in the back." Good job KW. How soon some of us fans forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Way to put that stupid ass fan in his place. I mean my god, we win a World Series for the first time in 10 zillion years partly because of Joe f***ing Crede and some moron gets up and cracks some stupid pun about getting rid of Crede and his being a "pain in the back." Good job KW. How soon some of us fans forget. IMO the only one who sounds stupid in that quote is KW. Not about Crede, but that defense of Colon is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 03:10 AM) IMO the only one who sounds stupid in that quote is KW. Not about Crede, but that defense of Colon is hilarious. No it's not. I side with the GM of a MLB team, instead of the message-board poster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Bartolo's "ceiling" is higher than Garland's, a lot higher But will injuries prevent him from reaching that ceiling, or anywhere close to it Also, will Garland's shoulder knot problem resurface preventing him from being useful in 2009 (And perhaps, is a reason for his lackluster performance in 2008) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 01:10 AM) IMO the only one who sounds stupid in that quote is KW. Not about Crede, but that defense of Colon is hilarious. Huh? All Kenny said was that "maybe" he'll be better than Garland this season. That's supposed to be hilarious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Joe Crede gave the White Sox 1 crucial month in the 2005 season. You know who else did? Frank Thomas. He got b****ed out, and his agent isn't even Boras! What's a brother gotta do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 12:15 AM) Way to put that stupid ass fan in his place. I mean my god, we win a World Series for the first time in 10 zillion years partly because of Joe f***ing Crede and some moron gets up and cracks some stupid pun about getting rid of Crede and his being a "pain in the back." Good job KW. How soon some of us fans forget. He's also one of the few GM's who openly says he really doesn't care what the fans think about his moves/trades and whether they understand them or not...that he doesn't have to answer to bloggers, fanboys, SABR club stat geeks or anyone else but JR. Of course, it's a lot easier to do that with a WS championship so recently in the rearview window. I find it pretty hilarious that he now always prefaces his comments with something like "I really don't have time to answer every blog or Internet rumor" but he still inevitably will make a comment when situations reach "critical mass" in terms of speculation (like the Dye/Bailey rumors week). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Lets not forget all the big hits last year in April and May before his back quit on him again. Crede will be missed and will always be a Sox legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 07:10 AM) IMO the only one who sounds stupid in that quote is KW. Not about Crede, but that defense of Colon is hilarious. If Garland outperforms a healthy Colon, it will only be attributed to his transfer to the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 10:10 AM) Joe Crede gave the White Sox 1 crucial month in the 2005 season. You know who else did? Frank Thomas. He got b****ed out, and his agent isn't even Boras! What's a brother gotta do. Not complain about everything... And I do like FT Edited February 5, 2009 by SEALgep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 No it's not. I side with the GM of a MLB team, instead of the message-board poster. So you also feel that if Brian Anderson played last year full time he would've hit .275 hit 25 homers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Lets not forget all the big hits last year in April and May before his back quit on him again. Crede will be missed and will always be a Sox legend. Personally I think "myth" is a better term. Come on, it's insulting to put him on the same level of Frank Thomas, Nellie Fox, Luis Aparicio, or even Dick Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 06:29 AM) So you also feel that if Brian Anderson played last year full time he would've hit .275 hit 25 homers? No and maybe yes. I think the average would have been in the .200 to .220 range, but I think the power would have been in the low 20's HR range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 01:10 AM) IMO the only one who sounds stupid in that quote is KW. Not about Crede, but that defense of Colon is hilarious. Right, what he should have said was "I honestly think Colon will suck this year. We had an extra mil in the coffer and decided to give it away to Colon. Garland on the other hand, knots in his shoulder and all, will win the Cy Young." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 04:42 AM) He's also one of the few GM's who openly says he really doesn't care what the fans think about his moves/trades and whether they understand them or not...that he doesn't have to answer to bloggers, fanboys, SABR club stat geeks or anyone else but JR. Of course, it's a lot easier to do that with a WS championship so recently in the rearview window. I find it pretty hilarious that he now always prefaces his comments with something like "I really don't have time to answer every blog or Internet rumor" but he still inevitably will make a comment when situations reach "critical mass" in terms of speculation (like the Dye/Bailey rumors week). That's his job. He is supposed to put together a team that HE thinks will win as many games as possible with the resources he is given. The fans and everyone else do not have the information about resources, scouting reports, injury info etc. for the most part. He should ignore everything fans and bloggers say because in the end it's his job on the line. The rest of us just don't have lives and speculate on things we don't have all the info about, have no control over and whose employment do not depend on it. Edited February 5, 2009 by ptatc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Right, what he should have said was "I honestly think Colon will suck this year. We had an extra mil in the coffer and decided to give it away to Colon. Garland on the other hand, knots in his shoulder and all, will win the Cy Young." I get your point, but I guess that shows you the hilarious reality. What point in letting people ask questions if we can't answer them honestly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Garland will throw more innings than Colon. I have no idea about the ERA's though. Garland's should go down, but Colon looked pretty decent for the Red Sox when healthy last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) I haven't seen anyone mention it on Soxtalk but when we signed Colon I think most of us assumed his arm was healthy after putting up decent numbers with Boston and in the minors. The reality is he had elbow surgery to clean out bone chips on his pitching arm and will start his spring traing later than most. It wasn't just his back that was injured. Edited February 5, 2009 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 08:31 AM) I get your point, but I guess that shows you the hilarious reality. What point in letting people ask questions if we can't answer them honestly? i see, Kenny lied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) Bartolo's "ceiling" is higher than Garland's, a lot higher But will injuries prevent him from reaching that ceiling, or anywhere close to it Also, will Garland's shoulder knot problem resurface preventing him from being useful in 2009 (And perhaps, is a reason for his lackluster performance in 2008) I am all for supporting the team, but to say outright that BC is going to be better than JG at this point in Bart's career might be pushing it. I don't remember Jon being on the disabled list and Bart has obviously. If we get ten wins from Bartolo I will be happy. Don't get me wrong it's not that I want or expect Colon to fail it's just we need to be realistic. One of the reasons we won that 2005 World Series is because of Jon Garland also. Edited February 5, 2009 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) I am all for supporting the team, but to say outright that BC is going to be better than JG at this point in Bart's career might be pushing it. I don't remember Jon being on the disabled list and Bart has obviously. If we get ten wins from Bartolo I will be happy. Don't get me wrong it's not that I want or expect Colon to fail it's just we need to be realistic. One of the reasons we won that 2005 World Series is because of Jon Garland also. 2005 was great for all of us, but that doesnt mean we have to hold on to every player on that team. Garland wasnt very good last year, and he should have been. He was pitching in a pitchers park, in fact his division outside of texas is all pitchers parks, and Garland was barely mediocre. The knot in his shoulder seems to be something he does not want to take care of and just wants to deal with, Kenny decided that wasnt worth the money he got paid in Arizona. Colon is inexpensive, and if he fails then one of Poreda/Marquez/Richard/etc will have a shot to replace him. Some may believe this is CR/AP, but it is what it is. There are still pitchers on the market available, but it doesnt seem like any of them have less injury problems than Colon, which is why they are still on the market. Big Hurt may continue to call Colon "hilarious" every chance he gets, but Colon isnt being counted on to be the ace. Colon is playing for a contract, and hopefully he is motivated to pitch well and stay healthy and participate on what could be a very exciting season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandy125 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) I am all for supporting the team, but to say outright that BC is going to be better than JG at this point in Bart's career might be pushing it. I don't remember Jon being on the disabled list and Bart has obviously. If we get ten wins from Bartolo I will be happy. Don't get me wrong it's not that I want or expect Colon to fail it's just we need to be realistic. One of the reasons we won that 2005 World Series is because of Jon Garland also. KW just said that he might be better than Garland. There was no outright guarantee there... I don't think that anyone would guarantee that, but Colon does have a much higher ceiling if everything works out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (SEALgep @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 06:10 AM) Not complain about everything... And I do like FT I was speaking tongue firmly in cheek too. That whole situation was still very messy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 07:29 AM) So you also feel that if Brian Anderson played last year full time he would've hit .275 hit 25 homers? I''d say .260 and 20 homers is more realistic so, yeah, our GM (as great as he is) is know to exaggerate. I won't miss Crede that much, but It's hard to believe that the leaders of both the Dirty Thirty Crew and The Hardcore 24 have already been purged from the clubhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 5, 2009 -> 12:15 AM) Way to put that stupid ass fan in his place. I mean my god, we win a World Series for the first time in 10 zillion years partly because of Joe f***ing Crede and some moron gets up and cracks some stupid pun about getting rid of Crede and his being a "pain in the back." Good job KW. How soon some of us fans forget. Man,I'm with you 200%,those guys from the 2005 team will always have my respect,its not like we're the Yankees and have a ton of rings and could be fickle about it...let's win a dozen more titles before we become obnoxious "what have you done for us lately" fans.(Yankee fans) Edited February 5, 2009 by MexSoxFan#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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