Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 10:58 AM) Keep it in PMs. No reason to be throwing that s*** around on a very public forum. I Concur. If you want to know, use the PM function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerAtIU Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 How does everyone think this will go over in comparison to Michael Phelps... will A-Fraud will lose sponsorships? Personally I feel steroids are much worse the recreational marijuana use... and maybe with the proximity of these two stories some ppl will be able to see that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 01:58 PM) Keep it in PMs. No reason to be throwing that s*** around on a very public forum. Chill out man. I'll PM instead then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is why I laughed when everyone said they couldn't wait for A-Rod to break the record as a clean player. No one is clean anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) I was being sarcastic. Do what you like, fathom. Just for verification purposes. This statement was not carte blanche to post the third name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I wanna third name. Someone PM a third name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 This is literally the best news ever Suck it A Roid huggers Now I am just pulling for Pujols to test positive and ill be set Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerAtIU Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 02:11 PM) I wanna third name. Someone PM a third name. Yeah I wanna get in on this third... a PM would be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerAtIU Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 BTW... how does everyone feel this will compare to Phelps... will A-Fraud lose some sponsorships? I personally believe this can show the drastic difference between something like steroids and recreational marijuana use in terms of condemning athletes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Greenman @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 01:18 PM) This is literally the best news ever Suck it A Roid huggers Now I am just pulling for Pujols to test positive and ill be set I like the way you're put together. I usually cheer for news stories that aggravate and upset a large number of people. This last week I've been especially satisfied with Phelps smoking out of bong and Arod testing positive for steroids. Just prepare yourself for the manufactured outrage from the media. We'll probably be overwhelmed with these types for the unforeseeable future. Best part of all this? Canseco was right, yet again, and it's going to KILL some people on ESPN to admit it. I wish someone like David Ortiz was accused of taking steroids by Canseco just so people would squirm in their seats at the thought of their fugly DH shooting up roids. Edited February 7, 2009 by Flash Tizzle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 08:19 PM) Yeah I wanna get in on this third... a PM would be great! I ask kindly to stop PM'ing me before this blows up more. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 haven't sent a PM to you fathom, but i'd also like to know who it might have been, a PM would be appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerAtIU Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) I ask kindly to stop PM'ing me before this blows up more. Thanks guys. Yeah I wont be sending one either but if you want to send me it thats fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) I ask kindly to stop PM'ing me before this blows up more. Thanks guys. lol, sorry fathom, didn't see this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Please dont be on steroids Pujols... please please please. Should I tell you now, or wait till Scott Rolen or the labs give the go ahead in a few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longshot7 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 IF it turned out the entire 05 team was on PEDs, would it change your opinion of them? Who cares if it helps your team win - this is why cheating is okay and should be acceptable. I wish our team cheated more if it meant more championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (longshot7 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) IF it turned out the entire 05 team was on PEDs, would it change your opinion of them? Who cares if it helps your team win - this is why cheating is okay and should be acceptable. I wish our team cheated more if it meant more championships. Really? What type of morals did you grow up with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (longshot7 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) IF it turned out the entire 05 team was on PEDs, would it change your opinion of them? Who cares if it helps your team win - this is why cheating is okay and should be acceptable. I wish our team cheated more if it meant more championships. The reality is that probably a fraction of players were juiced on the 05 team. Heck if you take the 03 numbers of 104 positive tests, which doesn't include HGH type stuff, that is one in seven players testing positive. That averages out to 3 to 4 players per each team. Granted it sounds like some teams have a concetration of problems, but I doubt very seriously that any team has zero cheaters. It is inevitable that some of our favorites will end up being frauds to. It is going to happen, sooner or later, that a name will slip out of the Sox clubhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 It's just a shame, and I can't believe a guy like A-Rod, who unlike other players was an serious stud since freaking high school, would feel he can gain a better edge even with the biggest contract in MLB history. Ram and the others were never involved with A-Rod, but Canseco did mention him in his book. He was great at the age of 16. Just pitiful to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 02:37 PM) It's just a shame, and I can't believe a guy like A-Rod, who unlike other players was an serious stud since freaking high school, would feel he can gain a better edge even with the biggest contract in MLB history. Ram and the others were never involved with A-Rod, but Canseco did mention him in his book. He was great at the age of 16. Just pitiful to hear. How do you think he gained all that power? Previously to joining Texas, his last 3 years he average 41.5 HR while hitting no higher than 42 HR. First year in Texas, he jumps up to 52, then 57 then 2003, the season he got busted, went back to 47, then 36 the following year with the Yanks. From 1996-2000 = 184 HR From 2001-2005 = 240 HR That's a 56 HR difference. I don't think the bandbox in Texas made all that big of a difference. Then 1999: http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provide...photo_id=380651 2003: Now: Edited February 7, 2009 by nitetrain8601 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 The thing is, he was such a stud since he was young (still arguably the best high school player ever seen) that you wouldn't think he would need an edge to be as great as he already was. That's what I think he was stupid in that regard. Well... there's still Frank and Griffey who, so far, are clean and still the best players in our era. But we should just try and move forward on this. Baseball is a game of edges, and eventually/most of the time, folks take them. Ritalin, scuffed balls, vaseline, red juice, cutting the bases, spitting on the ball, watering the basepaths, drying out the field with gasoline, pine tar, telescopes in CF, blinking lights, foot tappers in the 3rd base box, infield decks, corked bats, holding the runners belt, stealing signs from the dugout, tilted baselines... HGH, PEDs, steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Really? What type of morals did you grow up with? Bobby Heenan is his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) The reality is that probably a fraction of players were juiced on the 05 team. Heck if you take the 03 numbers of 104 positive tests, which doesn't include HGH type stuff, that is one in seven players testing positive. That averages out to 3 to 4 players per each team. Granted it sounds like some teams have a concetration of problems, but I doubt very seriously that any team has zero cheaters. It is inevitable that some of our favorites will end up being frauds to. It is going to happen, sooner or later, that a name will slip out of the Sox clubhouse. Schoenweis doesn't count? He's already Mitchell Reported. Anyway, I still have 1 or 2 guys from that clubhouse I have suspicions about, at least one of whom was named by Canseco, but it's worth noting that by the time they got to 2005, the testing was already fully installed, although it couldn't detect everything, so the team that I'd be more worried about scares me less than you'd think. And I still come back to the fact that it seemed like if you were in the Sox clubhouse in the early 2000's and wanted to do that stuff, you might want to keep it out of the clubhouse, because there was a very big man with baseball bats who didn't seem to like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) The reality is that probably a fraction of players were juiced on the 05 team. Heck if you take the 03 numbers of 104 positive tests, which doesn't include HGH type stuff, that is one in seven players testing positive. That averages out to 3 to 4 players per each team. Granted it sounds like some teams have a concetration of problems, but I doubt very seriously that any team has zero cheaters. It is inevitable that some of our favorites will end up being frauds to. It is going to happen, sooner or later, that a name will slip out of the Sox clubhouse. That's also with ample warning that they would be tested. I really think 50% would be a reasonable figure when determining users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 7, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) Schoenweis doesn't count? He's already Mitchell Reported. Anyway, I still have 1 or 2 guys from that clubhouse I have suspicions about, at least one of whom was named by Canseco, but it's worth noting that by the time they got to 2005, the testing was already fully installed, although it couldn't detect everything, so the team that I'd be more worried about scares me less than you'd think. And I still come back to the fact that it seemed like if you were in the Sox clubhouse in the early 2000's and wanted to do that stuff, you might want to keep it out of the clubhouse, because there was a very big man with baseball bats who didn't seem to like that. Yep, the 2005 White Sox were probably the cleanest team in the last 15 years (prior to that year) to win the WS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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