Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Yay! I've restarted the Anderson wars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 According to Cowley the starters for the first spring game will be Quentin, Owens, Dye . . . Fields, Ramirez, Getz, Broussard . . . Pierzynski, Richard . . . Thome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:04 PM) If BA is never given a long period of time to start, we never will know if he can be competent with the bat. He has a very long swing which will always prevent him for hitting for a good average, but if given enough time to find some type of rhythm at the plate, he may be able to hit .240 over the course of a full season, and with the defense he plays and the power he can produce, that would make him a very valuable player as a #9 hitter. I honestly would not be surprised to see Anderson put up something along the lines of .240/.310/.440/.750, and with gold glove defense in CF, he's probably a top 10-15 CF in the game. I truly believe that BA can be better than a .240 hitter, the problem I have seen with him is that he likes to party to much and basically is a "Horn Dog". I have been at many bars, casinos and clubs at the same time with him. 1 instance I recall on a Friday night after a game versus the Cubs we partied till 1am and then took it to a friends (Girl) house in the Wrigley area and he stayed after we left at 4 am. Next day we lose the game because he couldn't get a F'n bunt down with man on 2nd and no outs and I run into him again at high tops VIP party on the 2nd floor. His night life and a Rep as a so called ladies man is more important than being a solid major leaguer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'd rather have Jim Edmonds old slow legs than Jerry Owens in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 03:03 PM) Joey Gathright did, I see him and Jerry as pretty much the same type of player. Nah, Gathright’s a freak athletically, Owens is just a guy who runs really fast. Both aren’t very good ball players. As for the bench scenario, I think we should go with 12 pitchers. We have enough depth in the organization that this move can be justified, especially because Carrasco, Richard, Russell, and Poreda/Marquez can pitch multiple innings pretty much every time out. Ideally, the bench would go something like Kroege, Stewart, Betemit, Getz, but in reality, I think we’re going to see Stewart, Betemit, Lillibridge, and Anderson. The problem being is that we don’t have a whole lot of pop coming off the bench. In the past, we could bring in a guy like Ross Gload and think we have a decent shot of extra-base hit every once in a while, but the real weakness’ll be trusting Stewart to give us anything offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) Nah, Gathright’s a freak athletically, Owens is just a guy who runs really fast. Both aren’t very good ball players. As for the bench scenario, I think we should go with 12 pitchers. We have enough depth in the organization that this move can be justified, especially because Carrasco, Richard, Russell, and Poreda/Marquez can pitch multiple innings pretty much every time out. Ideally, the bench would go something like Kroege, Stewart, Betemit, Getz, but in reality, I think we’re going to see Stewart, Betemit, Lillibridge, and Anderson. The problem being is that we don’t have a whole lot of pop coming off the bench. In the past, we could bring in a guy like Ross Gload and think we have a decent shot of extra-base hit every once in a while, but the real weakness’ll be trusting Stewart to give us anything offensively. Brian Anderson had 21 extra base hits last year. Ross Gload had 21 extra base hits last year. Wilson Betemit had 19 extra base hits last year. Brian Anderson had 181 at bats last year. Wilson Betemit had 189 at bats last year. Ross Gload had 388 at bats last year. In 2006 with the White Sox, Gload got 156 at bats and put up 13 extra base hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 01:05 PM) Yay! I've restarted the Anderson wars! I missed them - wouldn't be spring without it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 03:30 PM) To be honest, I think BA is a great defensive player, but I feel like we have CF'ers in our system right now that could probably hit better than him. The problem is that in ST he will rake, we will all think he is turning the corner, and then he hits .230-.240 The guy has been given exactly one chance, and that was back in 2006. He sucked for the first half, and picked his game up the second half. Since then, he's been given no regular playing time to get any kind of consistency going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) The guy has been given exactly one chance, and that was back in 2006. He sucked for the first half, and picked his game up the second half. Since then, he's been given no regular playing time to get any kind of consistency going. Funny how that happens to players. They cruise along putting up great numbers in the minors, maybe even a bit in the majors... then they hit a rough spot. The question always becomes: are they topped out and just not going to be that good? Or do they just need time to adjust? Or was it just a bad patch they would get past? KW has made a business of trading for players like that, i.e. Quentin, Lillibridge. But then some, like Anderson, seem to never get a second chance. So who fits in which category? Quentin was obviously very good, and just stumbled and had injury issues. Is Lillibridge that good, and is likely to show it? What about Ehren Wassermann, who was great all the way through the minors, and in 2007, then sucked in 2008? Can Anderson rake in the majors at some point, or at least be pretty good? Is Jack Egbert topped out at AAA, or was last year a fluke? I think these discussions are really interesting. How do you decide when a bad year is just a bad year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) www.google.com for next time BA .232 .272 .709 Wise .248 .293 .742 +.16 in BA +.21 in OBP +.33 in OPS both terrible, Wise slightly outperformed BA. Both arent major league hitters. So you agree, they are both terrible. In that case you take the guy who can play CF over the guy who can't. JOke will be the CF and Anderson should be the 4th OF at the very least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:01 PM) So you agree, they are both terrible. In that case you take the guy who can play CF over the guy who can't. JOke will be the CF and Anderson should be the 4th OF at the very least. Thats the thing. If BA doesnt start, doesnt that roster spot for the 4th OF go to Lillibridge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) The guy has been given exactly one chance, and that was back in 2006. He sucked for the first half, and picked his game up the second half. Since then, he's been given no regular playing time to get any kind of consistency going. We'd be such a better team if Owens just goes 0 for Spring Training or the other thing happens that happened to him last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:04 PM) Thats the thing. If BA doesnt start, doesnt that roster spot for the 4th OF go to Lillibridge? Assuming Owens and Getz get spots in the starting lineup, Viciedo goes to the Minors and the Sox go with 12 pitchers that leaves 4 bench spots. The backup catcher and Betemit are locks so there are two open spots. Out of Lillibridge, Nix, Wise and Anderson who are you taking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 10:13 PM) Assuming Owens and Getz get spots in the starting lineup, Viciedo goes to the Minors and the Sox go with 12 pitchers that leaves 4 bench spots. The backup catcher and Betemit are locks so there are two open spots. Out of Lillibridge, Nix, Wise and Anderson who are you taking? From what I was told, Nix is a longshot to make the squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:04 PM) Thats the thing. If BA doesnt start, doesnt that roster spot for the 4th OF go to Lillibridge? No, you take them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:13 PM) Assuming Owens and Getz get spots in the starting lineup, Viciedo goes to the Minors and the Sox go with 12 pitchers that leaves 4 bench spots. The backup catcher and Betemit are locks so there are two open spots. Out of Lillibridge, Nix, Wise and Anderson who are you taking? Nix is out of options right? So I take Nix and Lilli and option BA back down since he still has one, and I send Wise to the bus stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 02:25 PM) Nix is out of options right? So I take Nix and Lilli and option BA back down since he still has one, and I send Wise to the bus stop. Nix signed a minor league deal with us. He'd have to pass through waivers to be sent to AAA, but unless he puts up ridiculous numbers in the spring the odds are almost certain he'd do that, since he did so already. And if he puts up ridiculous numbers in the spring, then why are we sending him down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) Nix is out of options right? So I take Nix and Lilli and option BA back down since he still has one, and I send Wise to the bus stop. Or you could just send Nix outright to AAA and watch him clear waivers like he did twice last season. He'd be even more redundant on the big league squad than Brian Anderson. Nix, Getz, Lillibridge and Betemit can all play 2B which as far as I know is the only position Nix is capable of playing. Nix was also cut by a team with no 2B (the Rockies) after posting 56 of the worst ABs imaginable last season. At least Brian had some success as a PH last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted February 23, 2009 Author Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:27 PM) Nix signed a minor league deal with us. He'd have to pass through waivers to be sent to AAA, but unless he puts up ridiculous numbers in the spring the odds are almost certain he'd do that, since he did so already. And if he puts up ridiculous numbers in the spring, then why are we sending him down? Nix signed a major league deal that's why he's on the 40 man roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) Nix is out of options right? So I take Nix and Lilli and option BA back down since he still has one, and I send Wise to the bus stop. I really wouldn't feel comfortable going into the season with BL as our backup OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:05 PM) Yay! I've restarted the Anderson wars! Nice to meet you, Archduke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) Nix signed a major league deal that's why he's on the 40 man roster. Nix/minor league deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) Brian Anderson had 21 extra base hits last year. Ross Gload had 21 extra base hits last year. Wilson Betemit had 19 extra base hits last year. Brian Anderson had 181 at bats last year. Wilson Betemit had 189 at bats last year. Ross Gload had 388 at bats last year. In 2006 with the White Sox, Gload got 156 at bats and put up 13 extra base hits. You got me. That's what i get for thinking from memory and not baseball ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Nix, Getz, Lillibridge and Betemit can all play 2B which as far as I know is the only position Nix is capable of playing. Yea but they won't as good defensively. Consider him the Brian Anderson of 2B (but better defensively) Lillibridge is good, but he's a better defensive SS/CF. Nix on the other hand is just a ridiculous defensive 2B. If he could ever hit, his defense would be the best in the league. You don't get praises from scouts like "He's the best defensive 2B I've ever seen" or "I've seen many great players defensively at that position, but this kid is just in another world" for nothing. (though I do consider those over the top) I don't blame the Rockies on giving up on him though. He can't hit. There's still hope giving his AAA numbers from last season, but I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 23, 2009 -> 06:04 PM) Yea but they won't as good defensively. Consider him the Brian Anderson of 2B (but better defensively) Lillibridge is good, but he's a better defensive SS/CF. Nix on the other hand is just a ridiculous defensive 2B. If he could ever hit, his defense would be the best in the league. You don't get praises from scouts like "He's the best defensive 2B I've ever seen" or "I've seen many great players defensively at that position, but this kid is just in another world" for nothing. (though I do consider those over the top) I don't blame the Rockies on giving up on him though. He can't hit. There's still hope giving his AAA numbers from last season, but I'm not holding my breath. So we have effectively 3 all world defensive players that cant hit a lick at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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