newportitis Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 http://www.springtraining09.com/features/t...cts-in-base.php only Sox contract on the list is AJ (???) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 God, I forget how bad that Soriano contract was, blah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) AJ's contract is one of the better ones of the "worst." I don't really understand the rationale for inclusion...because we added two years to his contract? Well, at his age, that's just about right, because at 33/34 that's when they will need to turn the position over to Flowers or someone else. It might happen before he finishes his contract in 2010. If anything KW was pretty smart to lock him in and ensure the stability of the position while trying to improve minor league depth behind AJ...he's a Top 5-7 catcher offensively and, even though he doesn't throw well, he manages the pitchers and game situations well, is a clubhouse leader and has the complete confidence of the staff (coaching and pitching), which has been especially important with Danks and Floyd. They should have included Raul Ibanez on this list, and Dempster, too. What struck me the most was the long list of Tigers....Bonderman, Inge, Robertson, Sheffield, Willis....and even Ordonez and Guillen aren't sure things at their age. Not to mention the fact that they wasted $3 million on Renteria's buyout, and were left with just a little for Everett. If you wanted to include any White Sox players, it would have to be Contreras and Konerko...and maybe Thome, just because that's a huge amount of money to pay a DH in this day and age, as the market has reset and those hitters have become a dime a dozen, almost. There's also a long list of players like Rowand, Fukudome, Hunter (not on the list), Michael Young, Vernon Wells, that we could easily have ended up with...and I'm also glad Carlos Lee is no longer our problem, especially at that crazy salary he's making for essentially being an NL DH/LF. Edited March 4, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 god knows why aj is on that list??? wtf?? Lyle overbay, LOL. There's some good ones in that list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Seriously though, A.J.? If his contract is bad, Konerko's is horrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 how about that Kenji Johjima deal? They signed it when he was hitting about .200 in May. No way that gets signed if hes not a Japanese player in Seattle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 How many are Boras clients? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The entire cubs team should be on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 09:31 AM) The entire cubs team should be on that list. imo, carlos zambranos contract is a bad one. why is he worth almost 20mil? what has he really accomplished? isnt 16 games the most hes ever won? i dont know, buehrle has accomplished way more and while pitching in the a.l. its just that z gets the ks i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Because Thome's contract expires after this year and he's still productive, the only bad contracts on this team are the ones given to Paulie and Mike MacDougal, but MacDougal is also done after this year and if Paulie rebounds then his contract is just above market value with one year left, but it's not an albatross. Contreras' contract may be a bad contract to some degree, but that also finishes after '09 and if he's healthy for a full year he can easily live up to his contract. AJ is definitely at market value IMO, not a bad contract at all. The contracts OC, Hudson, Cruz, Abreu, et. all signed do not reflect actual market value in any way whatsoever. The problem was, the players went out looking for 2007/8 offseason market value or above that figure, and those pricetags frightened GM's. Baseball lost sponsors across the board and as a result ownership lowered budgets. When the FA's out there were asking for a ton, teams passed and went in other directions to meet their budgets. I guarantee that if at the start of the offseason the players mentioned above were asking for more reasonable salaries then they'd have been signed to much better contracts. Look at the money SF gave to Renteria and Howry, or the money KC gave to a bunch of UT players and Farnsworth, or the money the Cubs in their infinite stupidity gave to Dempster and Bradley. These are just three examples of teams who horribly misread the market and would have spent much wiser than they did (although on second thought maybe not the Cubs because they always make idiotic financial decisions when it comes to assembling a roster). Next year IMO the market will have corrected itself. The economy in the US will be worse, but the market for players will be better because expiring contracts around baseball are going to free up a lot of money for good players seeking reasonable contracts. The sign-and-trade possibility will probably also become a permanent fixture until the compensation system is revised. In fact, we may even see compensation-probable players who play on s*** teams in '09 be extended and traded at the same time midseason in order to get around the comp issue over the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 10:25 AM) imo, carlos zambranos contract is a bad one. why is he worth almost 20mil? what has he really accomplished? isnt 16 games the most hes ever won? i dont know, buehrle has accomplished way more and while pitching in the a.l. its just that z gets the ks i guess. Zambrano, Bradley, Dempster, Soriano, Fukudome, Miles to name a few. Howry and Eyre were some good recent ones for them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideDon48 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I think they should add Manny Ramirez's new contract with the Dodgers on that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideDon48 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) oops, double-post. Edited March 4, 2009 by SouthsideDon48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) Zambrano, Bradley, Dempster, Soriano, Fukudome, Miles to name a few. Howry and Eyre were some good recent ones for them as well. gregg, over 4mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBatterz Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The Best Free Agent Signings can the ones that you don't make. Exhibit A: Kosuke Fukudome, Cubs. Four years, $48MM ($12MM per year). Signed December of 2007. I can't lie - I liked this deal when it was signed. The Padres and White Sox offered similar amounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeBatterz @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) The Best Free Agent Signings can the ones that you don't make. Exhibit A: Kosuke Fukudome, Cubs. Four years, $48MM ($12MM per year). Signed December of 2007. I can't lie - I liked this deal when it was signed. The Padres and White Sox offered similar amounts. From what I remember, we offered him a little more. But he wanted to play RF (Dye) and hoped to be the first Japanese guy for that franchise (Shingo & Iguchi) so we really, really lucked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Also, tht article was written by a Cubs fan I believe, so take everything with a grain of Old Style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 He's on the list because the Sox replaced the final year of his old deal ('08: $5.5M) giving him a $350K bump in salary for that season as incentive to sign on for 2 more years a year before he hit free agency. Apparently this is a bad thing? This offseason's top free agent catchers? Ivan Rodriguez (still without a job) and Henry Blanco. AJ would have easily been the most desirable catcher on the market, it was great foresight by KW locking him up a year early rather than getting into a bidding war with another club desperate for a starting catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 10:25 AM) imo, carlos zambranos contract is a bad one. why is he worth almost 20mil? what has he really accomplished? isnt 16 games the most hes ever won? i dont know, buehrle has accomplished way more and while pitching in the a.l. its just that z gets the ks i guess. It's actually probably because he has a 3.48 career ERA in a hitter's ballpark. I don't think he's worth the money he's making (especially since it's escalating as he gets older), but that's because I don't think anyone is worth the money they get in baseball. Zambrano's deal should probably be there ahead of some others (such as AJ's mention), but it's not Barry Zito level quite yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Alfonso Soriano, considering the economy right now and his skills, has to be one of the 5 worst contracts in all of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (Felix @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 02:01 PM) It's actually probably because he has a 3.48 career ERA in a hitter's ballpark. I don't think he's worth the money he's making (especially since it's escalating as he gets older), but that's because I don't think anyone is worth the money they get in baseball. Zambrano's deal should probably be there ahead of some others (such as AJ's mention), but it's not Barry Zito level quite yet. IN the NL however. Does Zambrano crack a 4 ERA in the AL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 04:49 PM) IN the NL however. Does Zambrano crack a 4 ERA in the AL? I know it doesn't mean much but his career numbers in interleague play suck. 101.2 IP, 4.96 ERA, 1.51 WHIP, 1.49 K/BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Jason Schmidt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 8, 2009 -> 08:17 PM) Jason Schmidt? Jason Schmidt, Dodgers. Three years, $47MM ($15.66MM per year). Signed December of 2006. The Dodgers knew of Schmidt's partially torn rotator cuff before they signed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I didn't even look at the link, I was just stating him because I would have hoped he'd be on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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