Lance Broadway Or Clayton Richard

[striker]

You gotta go with the lefty

[elrockinMT]

Even if they had exactly the same stuff, you take the lefty over the righty any day. Richard has better stuff.

 

 

Tell that to Tom Teriffic Seaver et al I know what you mean though. Lefties are is short supply and high demand nowadays. I just believe that Broadway still can do it as well as Richard.

[Dick Allen]

Broadway is not nearly as good as Richard right now and Richard can get better. Broadway peeked in college. If KW took offers on these 2, they would be a lot better for Richard.

[Balta1701]

I just believe that Broadway still can do it as well as Richard.

Then he better start proving it soon, because I feel like he's been given a lot of chances already.

[Steve9347]

Given Richard's playoff performance, and his fearlessness, I like him a lot right now. If he can just keep the ball on the ground, I see him as taking the role of a Buehrle.

[Chisoxfn]

Hands down Richard. He doesn't have anything that wows you but he keeps the ball down and has very good movement, as evidenced by the fact that in his limited major league experience very few teams have squared him up and hit the ball hard on a regular basis. I know he had a couple rough games in his early debut but a lot of those were more due to his own crappy fielding and some see and eye singles (for the most part). Overall I really like Richard and think at worse he'll be an absolute stud reliever.

[scenario]

One of the pitches that Richard slayed people with in the minors was his curve, which comes in at about 78 mph and helps keep people from sitting on his fastball.

 

If he starts getting that across the plate with regularity at the major league level... that would be really nice.

 

But so far, he hasn't thrown it much yet.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

Ya, his curve wasn't that good at the major league level but I heard good things about it at the minor league level. It's nowhere near a plus pitch, but its good enough to keep hitters off-balance and help him pile up some k's.

[lostfan]

I don't think either of them will ever be anything more than a 4th starter type, but I think Richard is much more likely to reach that than Broadway is. I once had hope for Broadway, but he hasn't given me much of anything lately to hope for.

 

If Richard never makes it as a SP, I'm pretty confident he'll be a successful reliever. I'd even go so far as to say he's a sure thing if that's where his career goes.

[scenario]

Ya, his curve wasn't that good at the major league level but I heard good things about it at the minor league level. It's nowhere near a plus pitch, but its good enough to keep hitters off-balance and help him pile up some k's.

 

Exactly. Not a great pitch, but he needs something to keep people honest if he's going to get through a lineup more than once during a game.

Edited March 5, 2009 by scenario

[Heads22]

Egbert.

[southsider2k5]

58-3

 

That's not a poll, that's a slaughter

[elrockinMT]

Then he better start proving it soon, because I feel like he's been given a lot of chances already.

 

 

The thing is people are mentioning 90 MPH fastballs from Broadway when we have plenty of proof that speed isn't the main ingredient for a winnner. Control and the ability to keep the ball down and pitch inside are always touted by coaches as the secret to success. But, yes they need to prove they can win up at the big league level. They also need to be given the chance.

[lostfan]

The thing is people are mentioning 90 MPH fastballs from Broadway when we have plenty of proof that speed isn't the main ingredient for a winnner. Control and the ability to keep the ball down and pitch inside are always touted by coaches as the secret to success. But, yes they need to prove they can win up at the big league level. They also need to be given the chance.

The bolded part is also, not coincidentally, what Broadway hasn't been able to do which is exactly why he doesn't look like he's going to amount to anything as an MLB pitcher. Not the speed of his fastball.

[NorthSideSox72]

The bolded part is also, not coincidentally, what Broadway hasn't been able to do which is exactly why he doesn't look like he's going to amount to anything as an MLB pitcher. Not the speed of his fastball.

Exactly. You can throw a fastball that tops at 90, if you have superb control and/or some deceptive pitches that you can consistently throw for strikes. Broadway has none of that, nor the speed.

 

[ozzfest]

We're at 62-3, I think if Broadway saw this poll, he'd be completely demoralized....

[Balta1701]

We're at 62-3, I think if Broadway saw this poll, he'd be completely demoralized....

Then he needs to pick up his performance.

[elrockinMT]

Then he needs to pick up his performance.

 

 

And not pay any attention to us armchair pitchers

[scenario]

A pitcher with mediocre stuff can go a long way if they have: good control + ability to change speeds.

 

Lance's control has been suspect and there isn't enough variation in pitch speed to fool people.

 

Something has to give.

 

 

[Marky Mark]

For all the Broadway haters out that that dislike the guy specifically for his '08 MLB campaign consider this,

 

If you take out his one truly bad outing on Aug 27 (which was a relief outing in which the Sox were already losing and would have still lost even if Broadway gave up no runs) Lance would have had a 3.60 ERA at the MLB level. So in other words, the damage against his ERA was done in a game which it didn't matter anways (never an excuse to not try, but just consider that it didn't matter for the sake of the team).

 

For all those who dislike him because you have observed his pitching style and his "stuff" (or lack of), what kind of sample size do you have? Sure he might not look like a control pitcher in some of his first outings against major leaguers, but that happens often to young rookies who want to overthrow or overcontrol the ball. I really don't think Broadway and Richard are that far apart.

 

With that said, I don't see either one as having much of any decent major league future. I think both will spend a little time in the bigs as 5th starters or long men relievers

[lostfan]

For all the Broadway haters out that that dislike the guy specifically for his '08 MLB campaign consider this,

 

If you take out his one truly bad outing on Aug 27 (which was a relief outing in which the Sox were already losing and would have still lost even if Broadway gave up no runs) Lance would have had a 3.60 ERA at the MLB level. So in other words, the damage against his ERA was done in a game which it didn't matter anways (never an excuse to not try, but just consider that it didn't matter for the sake of the team).

 

For all those who dislike him because you have observed his pitching style and his "stuff" (or lack of), what kind of sample size do you have? Sure he might not look like a control pitcher in some of his first outings against major leaguers, but that happens often to young rookies who want to overthrow or overcontrol the ball. I really don't think Broadway and Richard are that far apart.

 

With that said, I don't see either one as having much of any decent major league future. I think both will spend a little time in the bigs as 5th starters or long men relievers

300 IP at the AAA level in '07 and '08 where he put up an ERA in the mid 4's and a consistently mediocre WHIP. Actually now that I think about it, he's never really done anything noteworthy except at the pitcher's paradise in Birmingham. I was encouraged by those '06 numbers but they look like an anomaly now.

 

It's not that I'm a hater, it's that there really isn't much to go off of besides the fact that he was a first-round pick.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

For all the Broadway haters out that that dislike the guy specifically for his '08 MLB campaign consider this,

 

If you take out his one truly bad outing on Aug 27 (which was a relief outing in which the Sox were already losing and would have still lost even if Broadway gave up no runs) Lance would have had a 3.60 ERA at the MLB level. So in other words, the damage against his ERA was done in a game which it didn't matter anways (never an excuse to not try, but just consider that it didn't matter for the sake of the team).

 

For all those who dislike him because you have observed his pitching style and his "stuff" (or lack of), what kind of sample size do you have? Sure he might not look like a control pitcher in some of his first outings against major leaguers, but that happens often to young rookies who want to overthrow or overcontrol the ball. I really don't think Broadway and Richard are that far apart.

 

With that said, I don't see either one as having much of any decent major league future. I think both will spend a little time in the bigs as 5th starters or long men relievers

Broadway hasn't been able to get the job done in Charlotte and he's been there for three years. He's a garbage time pitcher with garbage time stuff who pitches like a garbage time pitcher even in a garbage time league. Clayton Richard IMO at least has a bright future in the Majors as a lefty specialist, but I think he's capable of more. I don't see him as a starter though, but I think he can be a very valuable part of a winning baseball team.

[qwerty]

For all the Broadway haters out that that dislike the guy specifically for his '08 MLB campaign consider this,

 

If you take out his one truly bad outing on Aug 27 (which was a relief outing in which the Sox were already losing and would have still lost even if Broadway gave up no runs) Lance would have had a 3.60 ERA at the MLB level. So in other words, the damage against his ERA was done in a game which it didn't matter anways (never an excuse to not try, but just consider that it didn't matter for the sake of the team).

 

For all those who dislike him because you have observed his pitching style and his "stuff" (or lack of), what kind of sample size do you have? Sure he might not look like a control pitcher in some of his first outings against major leaguers, but that happens often to young rookies who want to overthrow or overcontrol the ball. I really don't think Broadway and Richard are that far apart.

 

With that said, I don't see either one as having much of any decent major league future. I think both will spend a little time in the bigs as 5th starters or long men relievers

 

Cherry picking.

 

Every game matters just as much as any. He came into that game when the sox were only losing 4-2 in the 5th inning. ''If'' he went out and threw shut out ball or even allowed just a run or two who knows what happens. They sox scored 1 more run in that game, ''if'' the game was closer all throughout who knows what could have happened, it is not inconceivable that they may have won. You cannot eliminate a players second most innings pitched that he had in a given outing from a season, especially when his innings were as limited as they were.

[FranktheTank35]

Wow, I'm a rare one. I picked Broadway.

 

I don't have much to this, other than something in my gut says he will end up being the better one.

 

And I got a chance to meet Richard when he came to the mall by my school, got to shake his hand and get his autograph. Hell of a nice guy, I really hope he does succeed cause he deserves to.

[DaTank]

I wish Jeff Marquez was an option. Anyways, I went with Richard.