RockRaines Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 02:22 PM) We absolutely agree on that point. Matt Forte(while a 2nd rounder last year) would probably be worth close to a first round (late firstround) pick this year. You'd have to imagine that a team would rather have a somewhat known commodity like Forte rather than pick someone in the late first round, pay them first round money, and have no idea of how they will perform. I was tooting the Forte horn from the time we drafted him last year, I was finally right! (Rexy still stings SO MUCH!) I disagree on where you have him ranked above. Beanie Wells is going to go middle to late first round in this draft and although he may be a better pure runner than Forte, he isnt the complete package that Forte is, not many backs in this draft really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 12, 2009 -> 10:33 PM) Added 2. agreed. I'm sure there are quite a few more to add too, but I still value qb over rb. I would only trade Forte as a last resort. No one on the Bears is more untouchable than Forte at this point. Edited March 13, 2009 by rangercal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 (edited) Matt Forte might be the 3rd or 4th best RB in last years draft alone, the fact people are so against trading him with a guy like Cutler available baffles me. Not saying we prob wont get Cutler anyways but if the scenario did happen and the only thing holding it up was Forte...... Edited March 13, 2009 by SoxFan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) Matt Forte might be the 3rd or 4th best RB in last years draft alone, the fact people are so against trading him with a guy like Cutler available baffles me. Not saying we prob wont get Cutler anyways but if the scenario did happen and the only thing holding it up was Forte...... What tells you he wasn't the best? Nobody is a complete back like him. Nobody can catch it, run with it, and block like Forte can. Johnson isn't an every down guy and neither is McFadden. Ray Rice didn't show me that much last year and while I like Kevin Smith, he is no Forte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) What tells you he wasn't the best? Nobody is a complete back like him. Nobody can catch it, run with it, and block like Forte can. Johnson isn't an every down guy and neither is McFadden. Ray Rice didn't show me that much last year and while I like Kevin Smith, he is no Forte. I actually like Steve Slaton alot... he's a better pure runner than forte, about the same as a receiver, but not as good of a blocker. he was the best rookie running back last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) What tells you he wasn't the best? Nobody is a complete back like him. Nobody can catch it, run with it, and block like Forte can. Johnson isn't an every down guy and neither is McFadden. Ray Rice didn't show me that much last year and while I like Kevin Smith, he is no Forte. Id say Slaton, Johnson, McFadden, hell who knows Rice showed flashes when given a chance and we dont know how good Mendenhall will be. Johnson and Slaton were arguable better runners last year and I think if given the ball more McFadden has the most talent of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Jonathan Stewart showed some pretty good flashes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 All things considered, I would rank them as follows Chris Johnson Matt Forte Steve Slaton Darren Mcfadden Felix Jones Jonathan Stewart Tashard Choice Rashard Medenhall Kevin Smith Ray Rice With that said, every single back on this list has a shot to be very good, if not great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) All things considered, I would rank them as follows Chris Johnson Matt Forte Steve Slaton Darren Mcfadden Felix Jones Jonathan Stewart Tashard Choice Rashard Medenhall Kevin Smith Ray Rice With that said, every single back on this list has a shot to be very good, if not great. I would rank them differently, however, I think you're right... they is a lot of talent on that list. People might talk about this draft of RB's for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) All things considered, I would rank them as follows Chris Johnson Matt Forte Steve Slaton Darren Mcfadden Felix Jones Jonathan Stewart Tashard Choice Rashard Medenhall Kevin Smith Ray Rice With that said, every single back on this list has a shot to be very good, if not great. I think the top of the list should be Slaton, Forte and then Johnson based on the offensive lines and recent history of the Texans and Bears running games. I also think Stewart should have been ahead of McFadden and that Mendenhall should be last on this list with Choice and Jones down there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 12:03 AM) I think the top of the list should be Slaton, Forte and then Johnson based on the offensive lines and recent history of the Texans and Bears running games. I also think Stewart should have been ahead of McFadden and that Mendenhall should be last on this list with Choice and Jones down there as well. This is all things considered. Even though Jones was injured, he averaged 8.9 ypc. (I mean, s***) Cowboys line had a down year too. All things considered, I'll keep jones right where he is. Edited March 15, 2009 by rangercal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 11:03 PM) I think the top of the list should be Slaton, Forte and then Johnson based on the offensive lines and recent history of the Texans and Bears running games. I also think Stewart should have been ahead of McFadden and that Mendenhall should be last on this list with Choice and Jones down there as well. eh, a washed up Ahman Green averaged 4 yards a carry over 74 carries, and Slaton averaged 4.8. I'd say the Texans OLine is just fine. It's a completely different scheme than that of the Bears, but if Matt Forte had a line of that caliber or any semblence of a passing game opposite him, he probably would have run for 1500 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 12:46 AM) eh, a washed up Ahman Green averaged 4 yards a carry over 74 carries, and Slaton averaged 4.8. I'd say the Texans OLine is just fine. It's a completely different scheme than that of the Bears, but if Matt Forte had a line of that caliber or any semblence of a passing game opposite him, he probably would have run for 1500 yards. I'd say having Andre Johnson helps open up the running game too lol. Probably even better than Rashied Davis would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 11:50 PM) I'd say having Andre Johnson helps open up the running game too lol. Probably even better than Rashied Davis would. LOL, yeah I was kind of getting at that when talking about the passing game. He is a part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11919325 If Cutler is dealt, his preferences figure to be the Tennessee Titans, who play in Nashville, or the Chicago Bears, his favorite childhood team who would seem to be in need of a quarterback upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 12:32 AM) http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11919325 God, i wish this would happen. It's not gonna happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 C'Mon Angelo for christ sake. Make his dream a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Mar 13, 2009 -> 01:23 PM) Matt Forte might be the 3rd or 4th best RB in last years draft alone, the fact people are so against trading him with a guy like Cutler available baffles me. Not saying we prob wont get Cutler anyways but if the scenario did happen and the only thing holding it up was Forte...... I would give up Briggs long before I gave up Forte. Angelo doesn't hit on his offensive picks very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Do SOMETHING JERRY!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 If we somehow nab Jay Cutler... hmm I was gonna say something here, but I can't think of what I could possibly do to show my happiness. I mean I wouldn't perform a sex act I would feel uncomfortable doing... but something along those lines, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) After the last meeting between Cutler and McDaniels, Cutler decided he wants nothing to do with the Broncos anymore and has had his agent request a trade. Somebody hold whitesoxbrian back Edited March 16, 2009 by kyyle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Apparently the Bears are one of two teams he favors. Get this s*** done. I think the entire Bears camp would be in awe of a QB with an arm like Cutler's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I refuse to even entertain the thought that the Bears would actually pull this deal off. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 10:27 AM) Apparently the Bears are one of two teams he favors. Get this s*** done. I think the entire Bears camp would be in awe of a QB with an arm like Cutler's. John Clayton was on ESPN radio last night and off the top of his head he thought it would be a 1 and a 3 and then a 2 next year. He also said the Bears might not have high enough picks to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) John Clayton was on ESPN radio last night and off the top of his head he thought it would be a 1 and a 3 and then a 2 next year. He also said the Bears might not have high enough picks to get it done. Jerry Angelo should offer whatever it takes, this year and next year's 1st round picks and 2 or a 3 next year. I could see the Broncos having interest in Orton, Forte, or Briggs as well. This is just one of those moments where you have to take the big chance. Honestly, this core of players is not going to get you a Superbowl, and Angelo should see that... I think you completely overhaul the team when you make a move like this and position yourself to make a serious run at the big game a few years down the road. Angelo said that you win because of the QB position... this is the time to at least test out that theory. If there is a move to be made and Angelo remains passive... he should be tied to Orton's performance and ultimately terminated if (when) that plan fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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