Cubano Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 (edited) He has made millions in MLB. He has enjoyed Capitalism as a result of my hard work. Now, he is helping promote Hugo Chavez communist and repressive ideas in Venezuela. Chavez has been nationalizing companies and someday baseball may be one including MLB academies and professional teams. Venezuelans in Miami booed him today. I wonder why. This is incredible! The thing with the communists is the following. First, they go after the super rich. Then, they go after the middle class. Then, they go after anybody who has some property or money. Watch out Magglio! I would not put my money in a venezuelan bank but I wish you do to see if one day they take it away from you. ESPN Deportes (Spanish) http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/news/story...&type=story Edited March 14, 2009 by Cubano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I hope when his MLB career is over he decides to to stay in Venezuela. He's a bum, I'm glad to this day we didn't give him that extra million or so that he wanted. The guy is a loser, and he will be a loser for the rest of his career. However, this should be in the forum called the filibuster as it deals with politics and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That funky motion Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Isn't Ozzie friends with HC? I don't think any of them speak out against him, for fear of what might happen to their family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (That funky motion @ Mar 14, 2009 -> 10:30 PM) Isn't Ozzie friends with HC? I don't think any of them speak out against him, for fear of what might happen to their family I haven't heard Ozzie say anything about Chavez, and lets hope he keeps it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 I know this Thread has politics conotation, but it refers to a former White Sox and to what happened during a WBC game in Miami. If the Mods think they should move, that is fine. They are in charge anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) I know this Thread has politics conotation, but it refers to a former White Sox and to what happened during a WBC game in Miami. If the Mods think they should move, that is fine. They are in charge anyways. I just wanted to say, Cubano, you are the man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Hmm, someone having pride in their native country. Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 10:46 AM) I just wanted to say, Cubano, you are the man! Why are you Cubano's little cheerleader everytime he brings up communism and capitalism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 I believe Cubano has denounced Cuba as a third world hell hole that will never amount to anything. Which is probably a good thing if you immigrate to the US. You should have to profess a hate for your old country and a love for all things American. Big Macs and Coke for everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) I believe Cubano has denounced Cuba as a third world hell hole that will never amount to anything. Which is probably a good thing if you immigrate to the US. You should have to profess a hate for your old country and a love for all things American. Big Macs and Coke for everyone! No Big Mac in Cuba nor Coke pleaseeee. Then, we will be watching our weight and health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) Hmm, someone having pride in their native country. Shocking. I do not know whether or not this is directed at me. I have pride on my country nor its system and current leaders. A country represents more than its government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 02:17 PM) I do not know whether or not this is directed at me. I have pride on my country nor its system and current leaders. A country represents more than its government. people vote with their feet, since you are here, I'll assume you prefer a super power to a tiny island. Making you neither a hypocrite nor naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 10:58 AM) Why are you Cubano's little cheerleader everytime he brings up communism and capitalism? I'm just a big fan of his story, and his story makes me realize even with all of the country's problems, it's still the best damn country in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 07:54 PM) I'm just a big fan of his story, and his story makes me realize even with all of the country's problems, it's still the best damn country in the world. LOL. ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aglh...o&type=lgns Jeff Passon (yahoo sports) in-depth coverage of the controvery with many quotes (albeit none from HC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 09:20 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aglh...o&type=lgns Jeff Passon (yahoo sports) in-depth coverage of the controvery with many quotes (albeit none from HC). ESPN's crawl had a quote from him. The gist was basically people shouldn't of booed because people can have different political views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 06:54 PM) I'm just a big fan of his story, and his story makes me realize even with all of the country's problems, it's still the best damn country in the world. Do not hate your country. Good or bad it is yours despite the government or anything you may not like. 70 % of the world wants to come to the USA. You have great music, great history, great thinkers, great sports, beatiful women, great universities, etc, etc, etc. As for mine, it has a great history (good and bad) too. We had indians that were killed by the spaniards. We had slaves too. We fought for our independence. It has good music, sports, women, food, beaches, etc. My country is more than Castro. Two Cubans I know went to USA vs Puerto Rico the other day. More than half of the fans in the stadium were from Puerto Rico. My friends were rooting for the USA with flags. He could not understand how come there were not many US born people to support their team and he was there with his cousins rooting for them. I do not understand Magglio. He can bring his family as a millionaire in USA. USA recieves millionaires all the time. He has benefited with Capitalism. Now, he is supporting a guy that is not very smart Chavez who wants to confiscate everything and suppress freedoms, etc. If Chavez keeps in power, you may not probably see Venezuelans in the MLB like you do not see Cubans unless they escape. Edited March 16, 2009 by Cubano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 09:20 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aglh...o&type=lgns Jeff Passon (yahoo sports) in-depth coverage of the controvery with many quotes (albeit none from HC). I really wonder what Cabrera's, and the rest of the teams view on Chavez is. Do most of them support Chavez but just not state their views publicly. Or do they disagree with Ordonez and Chavez but feel baseball is no. 1 and that should be their main focus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 03:47 PM) people vote with their feet, since you are here, I'll assume you prefer a super power to a tiny island. Making you neither a hypocrite nor naive. I voted with my feet because I did not have a life back home. I could not stand the government telling me what to do, what to eat, what to say, where to work, etc. I do not blame the USA policies nor anybody but myself for my own problems. I do not demand anything from the USA like many others do all the time. If the USA had sent me back, that was the USA sole right. The problems in Cuba are our own making. Let me remind you that before 1959, not many Cubans left the island for the USA. On the contrary, there were many Americans going down there. Magglio should help the Venezuelan government. We can see more Venezuelans in the USA. As a matter of fact, the exodus have began. How many Venezuelans moved out before Chavez? I hope the USA expel Magglio when he decides to stay or come in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 09:32 PM) I really wonder what Cabrera's, and the rest of the teams view on Chavez is. Do most of them support Chavez but just not state their views publicly. Or do they disagree with Ordonez and Chavez but feel baseball is no. 1 and that should be their main focus? I have a friend of mine at work who happens to be Venezuelan. I have been telling him since Chavez began his move that Venezuela will become hell like Cuba. He always said: "No we will vote him out." My friend does not have an idea how Communism work. I feel bad for them. I am telling today. One day Chavez may say:" No more professional baseball in Venezeula and no more Winter Leagues." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 It seems a little odd to me that a guy who fled his country to make tons of money would be in support of Hugo Chavez, but it gives me yet another reason to hate this guy. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...V3SvaAD96UKOL80 Condemning catcalls, Chavez cheers Ordonez By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER – 21 hours ago CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) — President Hugo Chavez came to the defense of Magglio Ordonez on Sunday, slamming Venezuelan baseball fans who booed the major leaguer at the World Baseball Classic. Chavez lamented that his friendship with Ordonez prompted catcalls from the mostly Venezuelan crowd during the team's 3-1 victory over the Netherlands in Miami on Saturday, saying the fans who booed the Detroit Tigers slugger "have no shame." "Everyone has the right to think about politics," Chavez said after reading an article about the incident from The Associated Press. "This is shameful. "Viva Magglio, and all our patriots!" Chavez added. Ordonez, who went 0-for-3, said he felt "ashamed" by the way Venezuelans in the crowd reacted every time he stepped to the plate. Fans cheered loudly when he struck out in the fourth inning. The crowd applauded when Venezuela manager Luis Sojo took Ordonez out of the game after the seventh inning. Most Venezuelans in South Florida despise the left-leaning Chavez. Ordonez, one of Venezuela's biggest baseball stars, appeared in a television ad last month supporting a proposal by Chavez to eliminate term limits for the president and other elected officials through a constitutional amendment. Voters approved the proposal in a Feb. 15 referendum. The outfielder also joined the socialist for a friendly softball game ahead of the vote, but Chavez denied Sunday that the match — billed on state television as "The Amendment Cup" — was a political event. "It wasn't political campaign," Chavez said. Sports Minister Victoria Mata also condemned the incident in a news report titled "Venezuelan worms in Miami" that was carried by YVKE Mundial, a state-run radio network. "The hostility from those fans against a player who is defending Venezuela with courage and dignity is shameful," the network quoted Mata as saying. Chavez wished Ordonez luck in Venezuela's upcoming games in the World Baseball Classic and also took a dig at the United States team, praising Puerto Rico for beating the Americans 11-1 in 7 innings on Saturday. (This version CORRECTS attribution to Chavez in grafs 9-10.) Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 I've always wanted to do this to SS2k5... Cubano beat you to the punch by several days. Closed and Merged! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Ordonez, one of Venezuela's biggest baseball stars, appeared in a television ad last month supporting a proposal by Chavez to eliminate term limits for the president and other elected officials through a constitutional amendment. Voters approved the proposal in a Feb. 15 referendum. We only have term limits at the Federal level for President. Are they trying to be more or less like the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) We only have term limits at the Federal level for President. Are they trying to be more or less like the US? Im pretty sure Chavez is emulating Nixon from the movie Watchmen. Totally US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) First of all,people should learn the difference between socialism and communism,it is NOT the same thing,many of our allies in Europe have socialist programs and so do we,what do you think Medi-Care and Social Security is? Second,if Maggs wants to support HC,that's his damn right...I'm not pro or anti HC since I'm not Venezuelan,that's for them to decide who should be their leader,the reactionary Right backed by the elite have tried to topple his goverment but the people still support him,he's won every referendum they've thrown at him and he's won em fair and square according to neutral groups like America's Watch.Maggs is in his right as a Venezuelan to either support or oppose Chavez and if you don't like it,tough,this is a free country. Edited March 23, 2009 by MexSoxFan#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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