MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (Cubano @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 10:33 PM) I voted with my feet because I did not have a life back home. I could not stand the government telling me what to do, what to eat, what to say, where to work, etc. I do not blame the USA policies nor anybody but myself for my own problems. I do not demand anything from the USA like many others do all the time. If the USA had sent me back, that was the USA sole right. The problems in Cuba are our own making. Let me remind you that before 1959, not many Cubans left the island for the USA. On the contrary, there were many Americans going down there. Magglio should help the Venezuelan government. We can see more Venezuelans in the USA. As a matter of fact, the exodus have began. How many Venezuelans moved out before Chavez? I hope the USA expel Magglio when he decides to stay or come in the future. Wow,Cubano,I thought you were for freedom of speech,if you believe Maggs should be expelled for his political beliefs then you are no better than Chavez and his "repressive" regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Chavez has cheated, repressed, intimidated, etc in order to win elections. Ordonez should not be allowed to come to the USA once Chavez turns on him. I have lived in a Communist/Socialist society. It is the same crap. One ruler and many semi-slaves. Social Security and other programs do not have anything to do be Socialism/Communism. Ordonez, on one hand, support Chavez socialis ideas. On the other hand, Ordonez comes to the USA (imperialism) to enjoy the USA $$$$$$$$$$$$. As I wrote before, the way these socialists like Castro and Chavez operate is the following. First, they go after big corporations. Then, middle size corporations. Then, small businesses. Then, everybody. They like to dictate and propagate hate among citizens. I am not oppose on Ordonez freedom of speech. He can talk all the BS he wishes. I, as an American citizen, would love the USA government to deny entry to those that are in bed with governments that are clearly against USA. That is my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Mar 22, 2009 -> 06:24 PM) First of all,people should learn the difference between socialism and communism,it is NOT the same thing,many of our allies in Europe have socialist programs and so do we,what do you think Medi-Care and Social Security is? Second,if Maggs wants to support HC,that's his damn right...I'm not pro or anti HC since I'm not Venezuelan,that's for them to decide who should be their leader,the reactionary Right backed by the elite have tried to topple his goverment but the people still support him,he's won every referendum they've thrown at him and he's won em fair and square according to neutral groups like America's Watch.Maggs is in his right as a Venezuelan to either support or oppose Chavez and if you don't like it,tough,this is a free country. Its also our right to call Magglio whatever the hell we want to call him. If you don't like it, tough, this is a free country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yes, Maggs, as a public figure, has less rights than other people. I believe it is silly that many Americans believe the only way to run a country is our way, and then complain about what a s***ty government we have, how bad this or that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 07:41 AM) Its also our right to call Magglio whatever the hell we want to call him. If you don't like it, tough, this is a free country. Well, yeah, of course we can (short of slander). But if Magglio wants to support Chavez's socialism and live here that's his prerogative. We can disapprove of it, we can call him out in public, we can boo him etc. and he has to deal with the consequences, but he's entitled to his views in this country just like anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Like Cubano wrote,a leader or government of a country doesnt make it the country itself,the people make the country,research HC speeches and you'll see that he states time after time that his beef was with W and his foreign policy (mostly our illegal invasion of Iraq),that he like the USA as a country,haven't you noticed that he hasnt been slamming Obama or the US lately? I took no offense when he criticized Bush since I didn't like him and it seems a majority of Americans didn't like W either. If Maggs wants to support HC,that's something that he should debate with fellow VENEZUELANS!How many of you guys like it when foreigners criticize us in our internal affairs?I'll take a wild guess and say not many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 10:59 AM) Like Cubano wrote,a leader or government of a country doesnt make it the country itself,the people make the country,research HC speeches and you'll see that he states time after time that his beef was with W and his foreign policy (mostly our illegal invasion of Iraq),that he like the USA as a country,haven't you noticed that he hasnt been slamming Obama or the US lately? I took no offense when he criticized Bush since I didn't like him and it seems a majority of Americans didn't like W either. If Maggs wants to support HC,that's something that he should debate with fellow VENEZUELANS!How many of you guys like it when foreigners criticize us in our internal affairs?I'll take a wild guess and say not many. You mean like when he called Obama a "poor ignoramus", over the weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I am surprised this has lasted so long in the Diamond Club with its filibustery nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 10:40 AM) It seems a little odd to me that a guy who fled his country to make tons of money would be in support of Hugo Chavez, but it gives me yet another reason to hate this guy. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...V3SvaAD96UKOL80 Maggs never "fled" Venezuela,I have Venezuelan friends and you are free to leave or enter Venezuela as you wish...Maggs was offered an opportunity to play baseball and make a nice living and like we all would have done,he took it.Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 11:04 AM) You mean like when he called Obama a "poor ignoramus", over the weekend? OK,I didn't see that quote,but if he did call Obama a "poor ignoramus"(I imagine HC said pobre ignorante),by extension did he call us all poor ignoramuses?No,I like Obama but just like W,he is not the nation. If you disagree that means if you dislike HC and you critcize him,you dislike and criticize all Venezuelans.Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) OK,I didn't see that quote,but if he did call Obama a "poor ignoramus"(I imagine HC said pobre ignorante),by extension did he call us all poor ignoramuses? No,I like Obama but just like W,he is not the nation. If you isagree that means if you dislike HC and you critcize him,you dislike and criticize all Venezuelans.Can't have it both ways. I have no idea what you are even arguing anymore. Who is criticizing all of Venzuela? I am calling Maggs a two face, I don't believe I have ever mentioned the entire country, or even anyone else in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 11:30 AM) I have no idea what you are even arguing anymore. Who is criticizing all of Venzuela? I am calling Maggs a two face, I don't believe I have ever mentioned the entire country, or even anyone else in it. Two faced about embracing his home country and living here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 11:42 AM) Two faced about embracing his home country and living here? Two faced about coming here and having no problems getting rich while supporting a system that wouldn't have allowed him the same freedoms that allowed anyone to even know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) Two faced about coming here and having no problems getting rich while supporting a system that wouldn't have allowed him the same freedoms that allowed anyone to even know who he is. Good point. He would certainly be more American if he embraced whichever system would benefit him personally over all others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 I didn't know it was a prerequisite to be 100% for capitalism and against all other forms of economic systems to come here and play in the Major Leagues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Mar 23, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) I didn't know it was a prerequisite to be 100% for capitalism and against all other forms of economic systems to come here and play in the Major Leagues... Again you are just making s*** up to put into my mouth. You could at least have the decency to respond to what I am saying instead of just creating something new. But then again if Magglio is such of fan of the system in Venezuela, why is here getting rich? Why doesn't his family live down there instead of some ginormous house in the USA? Why isn't he giving all of his money back to Chavez in support of the revolution? Why isn't he working for the betterment of what he believes in? But then again if I was a fan of someone who is self-declared enemy of the United States and an so called evil in the world, I probably wouldn't be living in the United States. When it comes to Magglio, it isn't a really big surprise though because they guy has always shown himself to be a two-faced liar who will stab anyone in the back for a few extra bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 24, 2009 Share Posted March 24, 2009 Perhaps, and I would not want to put words in Maggs mouth, that he understands that a system that fits for the US, might not also be the correct fit for every country? The best analogy I could give is trying to run the local car wash the same as IBM. Some systems may fit, others would not. I do not know what philanthropic projects Maggs has in his home country, so if you know he is not doing any of that, I am sad. I believe everyone should work towards the betterment of their community. And as I have said before, embracing the system that would benefit him the most personally would be the American way. Me First!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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