Heads22 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Midwest regional talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Arizona? That is a f***ing joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Whoa you're quicker than CBS sportsline Edited March 15, 2009 by WilliamTell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) Arizona? That is a f***ing joke. Sure is. I hate the BCS school love. The tournament selection is just a complete joke again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) Arizona? That is a f***ing joke. I like that match up vs Utah for them a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 Arizona, you gotta be kidding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 06:09 PM) I like that match up vs Utah for them a lot. It's funny because we're complaining about Arizona but they have a very good chance of winning their first round match up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 BC in the Elite 8! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 06:20 PM) BC in the Elite 8! Doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) Doubtful. Michigan State and Kansas are paper tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 15, 2009 Author Share Posted March 15, 2009 West Virginia in the Elite 8. Huggy Bear will get 'em ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 05:08 PM) Sure is. I hate the BCS school love. The tournament selection is just a complete joke again. Sorry, statistics support that mid tier BCS teams are better than non's. Edited March 16, 2009 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 07:14 PM) Sorry, statistics support that mid tier BCS teams are better than non's. Or like Iowa State winning at UNI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Why the Iowa State talk, this is tourney team talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 07:14 PM) Sorry, statistics support that mid tier BCS teams are better than non's. Yeah, and it was a bad, bad year for non BCS teams, but I think you could argue that a San Diego State and perhaps another team such as St. Mary's could have deserved a spot over an Arizona and/or Wisconsin. Although, I think Arizona will beat Utah and can give Wake Forest a game since the Deamon Deacons are so up and down. Michigan State's lack of consistency and Kansas' recent struggles make me tend to think Louisville has a nice road paved for them, but Wake Forest is a wild card here. They may not even make it to the sweet 16 to face Louisville due to their youth and lack of consistency/experience, but they could present Louisville problems if they do. Edited March 16, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 West Va, v. Louisville elite 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 16, 2009 Author Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 11:20 PM) West Va, v. Louisville elite 8 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 04:05 PM) Arizona? That is a f***ing joke. QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) Sure is. I hate the BCS school love. The tournament selection is just a complete joke again. QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 04:19 PM) Arizona, you gotta be kidding me. Why are you guys so shocked they made it? This proves once again how crucial November/December games are. They beat Kansas, SDSU and Gonzaga. That was obviously enough (along with quality conference wins). This is why college hoops is so wonderful. You want in the tourney? Beat somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 12:01 AM) Why are you guys so shocked they made it? This proves once again how crucial November/December games are. They beat Kansas, SDSU and Gonzaga. That was obviously enough (along with quality conference wins). This is why college hoops is so wonderful. You want in the tourney? Beat somebody. They also could not win a game away from home. If they missed the tourney, KU would have had the longest streak in the tourney in the road...stupid arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 11:06 PM) They also could not win a game away from home. If they missed the tourney, KU would have had the longest streak in the tourney in the road...stupid arizona. True. I'm just saying it seems a lot of people can't fathom how they got in. All you have to do is look at their non-conference schedule and who they beat. Teams better start recognizing that it's not just about conference play anymore and schedule better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 12:10 AM) True. I'm just saying it seems a lot of people can't fathom how they got in. All you have to do is look at their non-conference schedule and who they beat. Teams better start recognizing that it's not just about conference play anymore and schedule better. Very true. Another thing to keep in mind is the definition of "the 34 best teams" when keeping in mind how the at large process works. To some people, especially when you get to the last couple/few at large teams, they just want to take the best team available. And to me, Arizona is better than Creighton, St. Mary's, San Diego State (who they beat by 13), and Penn State (who isn't in because of their awful OOC schedule) Edited March 16, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 12:55 AM) Very true. Another thing to keep in mind is the definition of "the 34 best teams" when keeping in mind how the at large process works. To some people, especially when you get to the last couple/few at large teams, they just want to take the best team available. And to me, Arizona is better than Creighton, St. Mary's, San Diego State (who they beat by 13), and Penn State (who isn't in because of their awful OOC schedule) I agree, I am sick of the "experts" screaming about teams left out. Arizona is in a power conference and got a great matchup with KU and took care of business. I will stand behind putting in a Big conference team over a smaller conference team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 07:14 PM) Sorry, statistics support that mid tier BCS teams are better than non's. What stats? BTW, I think Arizona should be in based on their resume. Too many good wins to leave them out imo. I really don't see them beating Utah though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 08:48 AM) What stats? BTW, I think Arizona should be in based on their resume. Too many good wins to leave them out imo. I really don't see them beating Utah though. A couple people on TV used this line of reasoning yesterday, and I agree (this is Gary Parrish of CBS Sportsline): -- Arizona -- RPI: 62 Record vs. top 50: 6-10 Record vs. top 100: 8-12 -- Creighton -- RPI: 40 Record vs. top 50: 2-2 Record vs. top 100: 9-5 The argument people are making for Arizona is that it "beat some people." Well, yeah. It's Arizona, a national brand and member of the Pac-10, which allows it to schedule in a way where there are plenty of opportunities to beat some people. So the Wildcats beat some people -- like Kansas, Washington, Gonzaga and UCLA. But they nearly lost twice as many top 50 games as they won, and they are 5-9 against other teams in this NCAA tournament field. Meantime, Creighton was .500 against the top 50, 2-1 against other teams in this field. So it appears the only thing that hurt Creighton is that it didn't have as many opportunities as Arizona to beat some people, and if that's what kept Creighton out of the field then something is wrong with the process, because that's a little too BCS-ish for my tastes. I think that's an incredibly important point. IMO the committee shouldn't be looking solely at the number of wins against quality opponents. I think you have to look at that number relative to the amount of people they were able to play. Otherwise the chips are stacked against a small school for simply being small. There's nothing they can do about it. And really, a team like Saint Mary's went on the road something like 13 times and won, so even when you're a small school and you beat good teams on their floor, it still doesn't guarantee you anything. But we all know at the end of the day this tournament is about money. Obviously Arizona will bring in a lot of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 09:24 AM) A couple people on TV used this line of reasoning yesterday, and I agree (this is Gary Parrish of CBS Sportsline): I think that's an incredibly important point. IMO the committee shouldn't be looking solely at the number of wins against quality opponents. I think you have to look at that number relative to the amount of people they were able to play. Otherwise the chips are stacked against a small school for simply being small. There's nothing they can do about it. And really, a team like Saint Mary's went on the road something like 13 times and won, so even when you're a small school and you beat good teams on their floor, it still doesn't guarantee you anything. But we all know at the end of the day this tournament is about money. Obviously Arizona will bring in a lot of that. If you are a small school and a lower level of opponents the entire season, your record must be stellar or you must win your conference to get in. Its pretty simple actually for them. On a whole, the 2nd place team in those small conferences barely match up with the 4th or 5th place team in major conferences, its just how it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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