southsideirish71 Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Have to feed that pork somehow. Private Health Benefits, well lets tax that. Edited March 15, 2009 by southsideirish71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 10:50 AM) Have to feed that pork somehow. Private Health Benefits, well lets tax that. This right here proves that Obama doesn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people. Either do it my way or I will punish you. I know, I know, this is a trial balloon to see what response they get, but this is a motherf***er move right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 02:03 PM) This right here proves that Obama doesn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people. Either do it my way or I will punish you. I know, I know, this is a trial balloon to see what response they get, but this is a motherf***er move right here. i think no matter what, you're going to read everything the exact same way. if he didn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people he wouldn't try to overhaul Health Care in the first place... but he recognizes he has to pay for it somehow, so he's open to any ideas, one of them being taxing benefits. fine. you HAVE to be open to everything if you're going to find the thing that works. seems logical to me. the article didn't say he's GOING to, just that it's one of the options on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) i think no matter what, you're going to read everything the exact same way. if he didn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people he wouldn't try to overhaul Health Care in the first place... but he recognizes he has to pay for it somehow, so he's open to any ideas, one of them being taxing benefits. fine. you HAVE to be open to everything if you're going to find the thing that works. seems logical to me. the article didn't say he's GOING to, just that it's one of the options on the table. Like I said... trial balloon. And in that way, they get all the power. This isn't about the American people, this is about getting all the power they can into government. Oh, wait, I'm supposed to just trust Obama, he's our president, and he's the Messiah. HE will save health care. And everything else. (Kaperbole ). Seriously, though, the more welfare type giveaways the government gives, the more votes he gets in the long run - see 50% of people don't pay taxes and they are going to get more credits then ever before - this is why I say Obama is one of the smartest Dems to come around in a long time. The more entitlements he gives away and hurts the "rich", the more "poor" votes he gets, and remember the tax scale. There's a hell of a lot more "poor" then "rich", so he doesn't give a f***, it's about getting Democrat votes. That cannot be denied. It works for a good while, honestly. And a good while is long enough to make sure the policies slant it that way for longer then a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 And one more thing: It makes me laugh at the hypocracy - all I've heard for the last 7 years is how much George W. Bush has taken away our "rights" and all this s*** in the name of 9/11. How did this effect you and me? Reality: it didn't. Now, Obama takes all these social issues and it has to do with each and every one of us. But that's ok... it's all going to be BETTER under the government. Please. What hogwash. And hypocritical for those who support Obama's stealing of our individual freedoms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 (edited) Holy thread jacking Batman. Splitting this thread since this is a completely different topic. Edited March 15, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 03:53 PM) And one more thing: It makes me laugh at the hypocracy - all I've heard for the last 7 years is how much George W. Bush has taken away our "rights" and all this s*** in the name of 9/11. How did this effect you and me? Reality: it didn't. Now, Obama takes all these social issues and it has to do with each and every one of us. But that's ok... it's all going to be BETTER under the government. Please. What hogwash. And hypocritical for those who support Obama's stealing of our individual freedoms. We're finally considering basic health care a right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 03:34 PM) Like I said... trial balloon. And in that way, they get all the power. This isn't about the American people, this is about getting all the power they can into government. Oh, wait, I'm supposed to just trust Obama, he's our president, and he's the Messiah. HE will save health care. And everything else. (Kaperbole ). Seriously, though, the more welfare type giveaways the government gives, the more votes he gets in the long run - see 50% of people don't pay taxes and they are going to get more credits then ever before - this is why I say Obama is one of the smartest Dems to come around in a long time. The more entitlements he gives away and hurts the "rich", the more "poor" votes he gets, and remember the tax scale. There's a hell of a lot more "poor" then "rich", so he doesn't give a f***, it's about getting Democrat votes. That cannot be denied. It works for a good while, honestly. And a good while is long enough to make sure the policies slant it that way for longer then a while. alright, there's no point arguing cuz you believe what you believe - but what he's doing RIGHT NOW is not pandering for votes. obviously. otherwise he wouldn't be saying taxing health benefits is an option... cuz that's SUCH a popular stance... you slay me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 15, 2009 Share Posted March 15, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 02:03 PM) This right here proves that Obama doesn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people. That's not true. ".....Obama doesn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the....." TAXPAYING, HONEST American people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 04:50 PM) We're finally considering basic health care a right Oh no WE are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/o...x_n_132886.html "What he doesn't tell you is that he's going to tax your employer based health care benefits, for the first time ever...so what one hand giveth, the other hand taketh away." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (Reddy @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) the article didn't say he's GOING to, just that it's one of the options on the table. Seems to me that in the Bush thread about the 1st ammendment issues, Bush never said he was GOING to do anything about it, just that it was one of the options on the table after 9/11. Look at all the venom posted there. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/o...x_n_132886.html Again, that is an incentive to get people on the "universal health care". Not to mention that corporations will no longer get the deduction (reduction of expenses) for health care either. This is about control. Period. It's not about being "nice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 Why must health care be so difficult in this country? I have insurance through my company, but to my understanding I am responsible for the first $1200. I do have a HSA card where I can contribute $2800 of my own pre-tax money, and my company gives us $700, but I still don't feel like it's enough to offset the costs of seeing a doctor for 15 minutes, going to the dentist, or having to take some one to the ER at 4:30 AM. This right here proves that Obama doesn't give ONE S-H-I-T about the American people. Either do it my way or I will punish you. I know, I know, this is a trial balloon to see what response they get, but this is a motherf***er move right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted March 16, 2009 Share Posted March 16, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 15, 2009 -> 08:14 PM) Oh no WE are not. Then how does this compare with Bush taking away freedoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 16, 2009 -> 09:03 AM) Then how does this compare with Bush taking away freedoms? Good point, if its not a right - how can it be taken away? You can't take away freedom with taxes. After all, freedom isn't free. I know that's true because I saw it on a yellow magnetic ribbon on someone's car once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 17, 2009 Share Posted March 17, 2009 Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts