Trying to download a bit torrent

[NorthSideSox72]

OK so, I am trying to find an mp3 that is not in the usual places (no published CD, not on iTunes, etc.). I managed to find it on a site that is apparently a bit torrent thing.

 

I admit it - I don't understand what this is. I just want the damn mp3, so I can put it in my iTunes. So I am looking for expertise here on SoxTalk, since I'm an old fogey who hasn't played around with such things.

 

Here is a link to the song page on a bit torrent site.

 

QUESTIONS:

 

--If I download some "P2P" software, whatever that is, will I be able to get this song in mp3 or some other format that iTunes/iPod can play?

 

--What is the best software of this kind to get?

 

--Is this bit torrent thing some sort of trick that is going to get me into trouble?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

[mr_genius]

OK so, I am trying to find an mp3 that is not in the usual places (no published CD, not on iTunes, etc.). I managed to find it on a site that is apparently a bit torrent thing.

 

I admit it - I don't understand what this is. I just want the damn mp3, so I can put it in my iTunes. So I am looking for expertise here on SoxTalk, since I'm an old fogey who hasn't played around with such things.

 

Here is a link to the song page on a bit torrent site.

 

QUESTIONS:

 

--If I download some "P2P" software, whatever that is, will I be able to get this song in mp3 or some other format that iTunes/iPod can play?

 

--What is the best software of this kind to get?

 

--Is this bit torrent thing some sort of trick that is going to get me into trouble?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

I wouldn't download using p2p. You risk getting a virus or spyware. You are basically trusting a source which shouldn't be trusted as you don't know who is sharing the file and what they could have possibly planted in said file.

Edited March 24, 2009 by mr_genius

[JorgeFabregas]

--If I download some "P2P" software, whatever that is, will I be able to get this song in mp3 or some other format that iTunes/iPod can play?

 

That link doesn't seem to specify, but I would wager the actual download is an mp3 file. So yes. You will need a torrent client. I did notice that there were no seeders on the torrent (meaning no one that has the complete file). You will most likely need a seeder before you can finish downloading it.

--What is the best software of this kind to get?

Used to be uTorrent, but I haven't kept up with these things.

 

--Is this bit torrent thing some sort of trick that is going to get me into trouble?

I would be a little wary that the description doesn't seem to indicate the file type, but that may be common on mininova. Your IP address will be visible to other torrent users so there a small risk that you will be detected by the RIAA or some such.

 

BT guide: http://btfaq.com/serve/cache/1.html

Edited March 24, 2009 by JorgeFabregas

[Steve9347]

To answer the question. Download bitcomet. Install bitcomet. Bitcommet is the best torrent downloader.

 

Once installed, go download that torrent by clicking the link on the page on the torrent site. It will ask you to save and then launch in bitcomet, where you will have to designate a destination folder (desktop or create torrent folder on desktop).

 

It will then download and save there.

 

I do this all the time. It's a good idea to have virus protection, but you can read comments from users at sites such as www.isohunt.com or www.mininova.org/

 

Try this link through Demonoid.

 

The song you crave... nerd.

 

If you have any other questions, PM me.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Steve9347

[NorthSideSox72]

To answer the question. Download bitcomet. Install bitcomet. Bitcommet is the best torrent downloader.

 

Once installed, go download that torrent by clicking the link on the page on the torrent site. It will ask you to save and then launch in bitcomet, where you will have to designate a destination folder (desktop or create torrent folder on desktop).

 

It will then download and save there.

 

I do this all the time. It's a good idea to have virus protection, but you can read comments from users at sites such as www.isohunt.com or www.mininova.org/

 

Try this link through Demonoid.

 

The song you crave... nerd.

 

If you have any other questions, PM me.

I got the file from the original site, using Bit Comet as you suggested. Imported to iTunes, played it, transferred it to the iPod. Works like a charm. Many thanks!!!

 

[lostfan]

I use utorrent for torrents personally.

[BobDylan]

Bitcommet is the best torrent downloader.

 

Yeah, not really.

 

To the poster... Azereus and uTorrent are very good and usually the recommended software of choice for private trackers. I prefer uTorrent because it uses less RAM, but I run it all day and every day to seed.

[Kalapse]

Yeah, not really.

 

To the poster... Azereus and uTorrent are very good and usually the recommended software of choice for private trackers. I prefer uTorrent because it uses less RAM, but I run it all day and every day to seed.

Most private trackers won't even let you download their torrents unless you're using uTorrent or Azereus.

[BobDylan]

Most private trackers won't even let you download their torrents unless you're using uTorrent or Azereus.

 

This is true.

[NorthSideSox72]

I don't even know what you mean by "private tracker". I just wanted to download a track that wasn't available to me via the normal channels. Anyway, it worked, so I'm happy. Thanks for all the info folks.

 

[Y2HH]

I don't recommend getting into this "torrent" game unless you can get invited onto some private torrents. Using public torrents for piracy, of any sort, is incredibly stupid. It's much too easy to get caught as everyone you connect too has a trace of when/where/what you did, including the RIAA and federal people who scour those sites to mine data on who's doing what. Private is ok, public is not. And just because you haven't gotten caught for using public torrents doesn't mean you won't, and it doesn't mean it's safe.

[NorthSideSox72]

I don't recommend getting into this "torrent" game unless you can get invited onto some private torrents. Using public torrents for piracy, of any sort, is incredibly stupid. It's much too easy to get caught as everyone you connect too has a trace of when/where/what you did, including the RIAA and federal people who scour those sites to mine data on who's doing what. Private is ok, public is not. And just because you haven't gotten caught for using public torrents doesn't mean you won't, and it doesn't mean it's safe.

I had some of the same concerns. And I don't plan on making it a habit, believe me.

 

Here is the thing, though. I am shocked at the high level of institutional stupidity that creates the market for these bit torrents. Let's take, for example, the track I mean to download. Its a piece of music by a group called Two Steps from Hell, that specialize in music for movie trailers, advertisements and the like. It was made for Paramount, and runs in the background of the latest Star Trek trailer. The trailer is available for free all over the place of course, and I'd assume that Paramount and Two Steps from Hell would love to promote themselves in any way possible.

 

Silly me, I thought that might mean that I could get the music somewhere. My Google searches revealed people all over the place raving about this music. I mean, its a no brainer for these guys - it costs next to nothing to put an mp3 up on a site, they could charge a buck or two for a download, people would gladly pay that, and they'd make a killing, not to mention further promote the musicians AND the movie, AND make the fans happy. And yet... nowhere to be found. How do modern media firms not get modern media? How do they not see the easy money here?

 

I will always happily pay for music. And I think all but a couple or three songs in my entire music collection (thousands of songs across virtually all genres) have been paid for. Just let me pay for it!

 

Here is the brick and mortar analogy. You open a music store, where you sell CD's. You pump music out to the storefront to attract customers. Only, what you play, isn't available for sale. How stupid is that?

 

[Y2HH]

I had some of the same concerns. And I don't plan on making it a habit, believe me.

 

Here is the thing, though. I am shocked at the high level of institutional stupidity that creates the market for these bit torrents. Let's take, for example, the track I mean to download. Its a piece of music by a group called Two Steps from Hell, that specialize in music for movie trailers, advertisements and the like. It was made for Paramount, and runs in the background of the latest Star Trek trailer. The trailer is available for free all over the place of course, and I'd assume that Paramount and Two Steps from Hell would love to promote themselves in any way possible.

 

Silly me, I thought that might mean that I could get the music somewhere. My Google searches revealed people all over the place raving about this music. I mean, its a no brainer for these guys - it costs next to nothing to put an mp3 up on a site, they could charge a buck or two for a download, people would gladly pay that, and they'd make a killing, not to mention further promote the musicians AND the movie, AND make the fans happy. And yet... nowhere to be found. How do modern media firms not get modern media? How do they not see the easy money here?

 

I will always happily pay for music. And I think all but a couple or three songs in my entire music collection (thousands of songs across virtually all genres) have been paid for. Just let me pay for it!

 

Here is the brick and mortar analogy. You open a music store, where you sell CD's. You pump music out to the storefront to attract customers. Only, what you play, isn't available for sale. How stupid is that?

 

I'll tell you what I tell my friends about all of this...always err on the side of caution. If you really want to download movies before they're on DVD (or even up at the theater), porn, billions of MP3's whether they are easily available or not, or games/programs, go to a good news site and pay the minimal subscription fee. I recommend thundernews, they give a free news reader (newsrover) that combines/decompresses and decodes anything you search for and double click to download, yes...it's that easy. The best part, it's 256bit encrypted stream, AND they don't log anything, ever. That's erring on the side of caution...and usually, anything that is available on torrents is available via news. And news is off the RIAA/MPAA/public radar because they don't understand it...so they target torrents.

 

The only difference is you have to pay a little, but it's well worth if it you like free stuff while knowing your connection to them is encrypted.

Edited March 24, 2009 by Y2HH

[Texsox]

Good brick and mortar analogy, but let me give a movie analogy.

 

You spend $$ to have a song produced for your movie and you now own the rights to that song. You use the song in a promotion for your movie. You allow anyone to hear the song, as long as they also download a bit of what you are selling, your product, which is the movie. The assumption is without the movie download, you will soon lose the association between the song and the movie, thus not helping the people who own the rights to the song.

 

Your assumption is Paramount gives two s***s about the song or the artists. They care about Star Trek.

[NorthSideSox72]

Good brick and mortar analogy, but let me give a movie analogy.

 

You spend $$ to have a song produced for your movie and you now own the rights to that song. You use the song in a promotion for your movie. You allow anyone to hear the song, as long as they also download a bit of what you are selling, your product, which is the movie. The assumption is without the movie download, you will soon lose the association between the song and the movie, thus not helping the people who own the rights to the song.

 

Your assumption is Paramount gives two s***s about the song or the artists. They care about Star Trek.

Allowing the song to be downloaded also helps Star Trek, vis a vis the trailer and integrated marketing, PLUS they can make money doing it, which is ultimately what Paramount gives a s*** about.

 

Its institutional stupidity.

 

[Texsox]

Allowing the song to be downloaded also helps Star Trek, vis a vis the trailer and integrated marketing, PLUS they can make money doing it, which is ultimately what Paramount gives a s*** about.

 

Its institutional stupidity.

 

Compared with what they will make off of Star Trek, the song is mouse sweat profit. Pretty soon there will be no connection in your mind between that song and the movie. Probably even better is giving the song away, if you watch the trailer. Have it for free download on their website. But selling it? Bleh. Not worth the few bucks they would make.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

Compared with what they will make off of Star Trek, the song is mouse sweat profit. Pretty soon there will be no connection in your mind between that song and the movie. Probably even better is giving the song away, if you watch the trailer. Have it for free download on their website. But selling it? Bleh. Not worth the few bucks they would make.

 

Cost to put an mp3 up on an already-existing website for download: a few hundred bucks in labor, at most.

 

Potential revenue at $1 a pop: tens of thousands, or possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars, for Paramount and the artist/label.

 

Added marketing and promotional value: value-added, for nothing.

 

No business should turn down a quick buck at that high a ratio, if they have their s*** together. Easy money.

 

[Texsox]

Cost to put an mp3 up on an already-existing website for download: a few hundred bucks in labor, at most.

 

Potential revenue at $1 a pop: tens of thousands, or possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars, for Paramount and the artist/label.

 

Added marketing and promotional value: value-added, for nothing.

 

No business should turn down a quick buck at that high a ratio, if they have their s*** together. Easy money.

 

They could also make some money selling the trailer. But they do not. Wouldn't your quick, easy profit analogy hold true there as well?

 

No business should lose focus on what it is they are selling, in this case a movie which cost hundreds of millions to produce. To sidetrack that in a quest for what will really be much less than $100,000 in profits, is possibly not worth it.

 

Look how fast you received help in downloading that for free. You may get one in a thousand to pay for it, especially when it is free on the trailer. Think about all the hard drive and flash real estate in those iPods and etc. How much of that do you think is filled with music that was paid for, and how much was pirated, and shared peer to peer?

 

They would have to set up a checkout, accept payments, then add customer service, tech support, etc. More than a couple hundred dollars.

[NorthSideSox72]

They could also make some money selling the trailer. But they do not. Wouldn't your quick, easy profit analogy hold true there as well?

 

No business should lose focus on what it is they are selling, in this case a movie which cost hundreds of millions to produce. To sidetrack that in a quest for what will really be much less than $100,000 in profits, is possibly not worth it.

 

Look how fast you received help in downloading that for free. You may get one in a thousand to pay for it, especially when it is free on the trailer. Think about all the hard drive and flash real estate in those iPods and etc. How much of that do you think is filled with music that was paid for, and how much was pirated, and shared peer to peer?

 

They would have to set up a checkout, accept payments, then add customer service, tech support, etc. More than a couple hundred dollars.

The trailer promotes the movie, and trailers as a standard are free. Music on the net, nowadays, is going towards pay-per-track, so you can play it later as you want to.

 

You and I are just going to disagree here. I think its a win-win situation for minimal cost and some decent revenue, you think otherwise. Further, I think the companies doing this is one of the reasons the illegal downloading is occurring, since many of those people would do it legally if they could.

 

[Texsox]

And if you put it on an already existing web site, they are not coming to your web site to see the trailer. Give the song away.

 

If they put it on their website, who handles these calls

 

"I bought this, but the file is corrupted"

"My credit card was charged twice"

"I accidentally deleted the song and want to download it again"

 

Give the song away for coming to the movie web site or seeing the movie. Have a redemption code print on the tickets.

[Texsox]

The trailer promotes the movie, and trailers as a standard are free. Music on the net, nowadays, is going towards pay-per-track, so you can play it later as you want to.

 

You and I are just going to disagree here. I think its a win-win situation for minimal cost and some decent revenue, you think otherwise. Further, I think the companies doing this is one of the reasons the illegal downloading is occurring, since many of those people would do it legally if they could.

 

Kids are walking around with multiple thousands of tunes on their iPods. Those were not paid for. I think you are way low in your expectations for a movie song. Perhaps it is different than other tunes, but when artists struggle with Top 50 tunes to have people pay, I just do not see them paying for something less popular.

OMG, you are a Trekkie

[NorthSideSox72]

Kids are walking around with multiple thousands of tunes on their iPods. Those were not paid for. I think you are way low in your expectations for a movie song. Perhaps it is different than other tunes, but when artists struggle with Top 50 tunes to have people pay, I just do not see them paying for something less popular.

OMG, you are a Trekkie

LOL, I actually don't own any star trek music, though I do own some other soundtracks. I guess this is my first.

 

Some people will pay, others will try to skirt the system. Top 50 songs are identical - lots of people pay, lots also do not. Why not get the money you can?

 

[DBAHO]

I just use BitTorrent the program usually, but it does take up a lot of RAM, so I might switch to one of the other programs that's been mentioned on here.

[Kyyle23]

I just use BitTorrent the program usually, but it does take up a lot of RAM, so I might switch to one of the other programs that's been mentioned on here.

 

I had to switch to Utorrent when I went to a private tracker(thanks BD!), and the difference is night and day. Bittorrent was constantly running, it took forever to load up when i rebooted, it always wanted to upgrade. It was just a pain

[BigSqwert]

I'll also vouch for utorrent.