rangercal Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 (edited) I included Rivera because kyle said pitchers Not sure why I forgot to include Clemens.. add him too obviously Edited March 30, 2009 by rangercal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 QUOTE (earthshiner @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 09:56 AM) Maddux, Johnson, Glavine, Smoltz, Martinez, Mussina, Wells, hell, even David Cone had a career just about as good as Schilling David Wells was not a better pitcher than Curt Schilling. People really need to give that up. And, while David Cone just about had a career as good as Schilling, he did not have a career as good as Schilling. Almost only works in horseshoes and hand grenades. Mussina is arguable for reasons already mentioned in this thread. That leaves Maddux (HoF), Johnson (HoF), Glavine (HoF), Smoltz (HoF), and Martinez (HoF) all above him. I would say Schilling falls right in with those guys, he just didn't have the number of wins of everybody else, but everything else is right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthshiner Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 well if we are gonna include closers to the list add Hoffman, Rivera, Wagner, and Percival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 12:42 AM) All-Time K-To-BB Ratio 1. Tommy Bond 4.440 (879 to 198) 2. Curt Schilling 4.380 (3116 to 711) 3. Pedro Martinez 4.140 (3117 to 752) 4. Ben Sheets 3.850 (1206 to 313) 5. Mariano Rivera 3.830 (934 to 244) The K-to-BB goat if not for some dude that pitched in the 1870s. He also has the 13th best K/9IP ratio (8.60) in the history of baseball, and he averaged a 1.09 WHIP ratio from 1992 to 2004 (ages 25 to 37). Point blank, if you don't have him in the hall of fame, then you don't know your baseball too well IMO. The guy had 7 years he made 30 or more starts. He was a nice pitcher, but he wasn't Sandy Koufax-esque. If he played full seasons he probably would be a first ballot guy, but he didn't. If he goes in, there are several that need to go in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 QUOTE (earthshiner @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 10:02 AM) well if we are gonna include closers to the list add Hoffman, Rivera, Wagner, and Percival I don't think of Troy Percival as one of the greatest closers of this generation. And Hoffman really falls into the Lee Smith category of closers...very good closer who has stuck around for a long time, but is he really one of the greatest? You'll find no arguments from me from Wagner and Rivera, but I don't think you include closers on this list. You can't compare first basemen to catchers and middle infielders in regards to the Hall of Fame, so why compare starting pitchers to relief pitchers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Bottom line.. Schilling is borderline So uniform and gimmicks make all the difference in the world.... Red Sox, Cubs or Yankees World Series winner + bloody sock = HOF White Sox, Marlins or A's World Series winner + no bloody sock = No HOF I obviously can't prove this would be the case, but I feel this would be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 So you are saying that he hangs with all of these HOF caliber players. But he shouldnt be HOF? Strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 12:00 PM) So you are saying that he hangs with all of these HOF caliber players. But he shouldnt be HOF? Strange He is very borderline IMO. You can make a good argument either way. I'm on the side of the fence that says he should not be in the HOF. He will get in, gimmicks and uniforms seem to matter in baseball. Strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 30, 2009 -> 10:01 AM) That leaves Maddux (HoF), Johnson (HoF), Glavine (HoF), Smoltz (HoF), and Martinez (HoF) all above him. I would say Schilling falls right in with those guys, he just didn't have the number of wins of everybody else, but everything else is right there. Not really. Schilling's consistency/longevity is far behind those SP mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.