scenario Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 (edited) From the Plain Dealer today... 1. Cliff Lee 2. Fausto Carmona 3. Carl Pavano 4. Scott Lewis 5. Anthony Reyes Pavano as #3? A pitcher with 24 big league innings at #4? And the inconsistent and injury prone Reyes at #5? A little perspective... Clayton Richard has 2X as many innings in the major leagues as Lewis. And this is the team 'experts' are picking to win our division? Edited March 25, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted March 25, 2009 Share Posted March 25, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 25, 2009 -> 04:33 PM) From the Plain Dealer today... 1. Cliff Lee 2. Fausto Carmona 3. Carl Pavano 4. Scott Lewis 5. Anthony Reyes Pavano as #3? A pitcher with 24 big league innings at #4? And the inconsistent and injury prone Reyes at #5? A little perspective... Clayton Richard has 2X as many innings in the major leagues as Lewis. And this is the team 'experts' are picking to win our division? Yup. And you can actually put a big fat ? on their entire starting staff. Cliff Lee's '08 screams fluke in so many ways. Not to mention he has never put together back-to-back quality seasons. You have no idea which Fausto Carmona you're getting. And, of course, that's one super suspect 3-5 they have going into the season. As far as picking them to win the division, honestly, I can understand it. Their bullpen looks to be pretty solid with the additions of Joe Smith and Kerry Wood (of course, Wood would have to stay relatively healthy). And their offense, even without bounce-back years from Martinez and Hafner, looks to be the best in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I choose our rotation over theirs. I didn't realize what kind of rotation they had. If I was a fan of the Indians I wouldn't want Carmona as my #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 I'm in the minority, but I like Cleveland's young pitchers. Reyes and Huff particularly. I expect Huff to be up with they realize Pavano sucks. It'll take a month or so, but I think the Tribe's rotation will end up being solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchtower41 Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 25, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) And this is the team 'experts' are picking to win our division? If it's any consolation, we are picked ahead of the Injuns in the video game projections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 26, 2009 Share Posted March 26, 2009 Laffey will be up replacing one of those guys early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 With the amount of holes the Indians have it's absurd how much of the benefit of the doubt they've gotten this offseason. Do people really think Lee's season is replicable? That Carmona's one good year wasn't a fluke? It's just weird the faith writers have in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 They're actually short one reliever in their pen...the Japanese pitcher (Koboyashi or something like that) who was so good for them in the first half has been a disaster to the point where they had to shut him down and there are still big-time concerns about him this spring. Sowers was once considered a pretty high level prospect. Zach Jackson didn't do well in ST, but Lewis was really solid last year....compare his stats with Clayton Richard, although hopefully we can manage not to overexpose CR by keeping him in the bullpen and not having him face line-ups 2 or 3 times in one game. Westbrook should also be coming back at mid-season, and Laffey's in the picture. too. Haven't seen enough of Huff to make an informed decision about his abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 It could be a lot worse. Their offense and bullpen will make up a lot. Plus, it's not like you know if all their guys suck. It's just a question mark right now. Also, IP really shouldn't be part of the debate IMO. If you're good, you're good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Mar 27, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) It could be a lot worse. Their offense and bullpen will make up a lot. Plus, it's not like you know if all their guys suck. It's just a question mark right now. Also, IP really shouldn't be part of the debate IMO. If you're good, you're good. The middle of their order isnt as good with non-roid Hafner. And I dont think their pen is all that great either, they have their closer hopes resting on a guy who has been healthy one out of the last 10 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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