SI1020 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I love the book Eight Men Out. That and Nelson Algrens short story Go! Go! Go! Forty Years Ago are to me the most important things written on the subject. This whole thing is a complex, multi faceted and very tragic affair. Weaver to me is not guilty. He came from Pennsylvania coal mine country at a time of vicious anti union activities. In his environment you just didn't rat on your friends, no matter what they did. I'm conflicted about Jackson. His actions on the field belie the fact that he threw the series. He got some big hits. I highly recommend the Algren story because it gets into the dynamics of the relationships between the players and the tough bullying nature of Swede Risberg who totally intimidated Jackson. Years later Hall of Fame catcher Ray Schalk told Chicago sports writer Bill Gleason that if not for the Black Sox there would have been no Yankees. One of the saddest things in life is to wonder what might have been. No Greek tragedy can match this affair for pathos. We feel its effects to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 give me another link beside a book just b/c a book says it, doesn't make it correct. i am still doubting your source of the 20.000. wow a book. This is a joke, right? If some jamoke who lives in his parents' basement puts something on his website, that has more credence for you than a book? My goodness. And for the umpteenth time, I have never seen anything that shows that Joe tried to tell Comiskey before the Series, nor have I read that he tried to give back the money right after getting it. Everything I've read tells me that Comiskey desperately wanted to win the Series and would have gone to lengths to stop the fix had he had time and the knowledge, but he didn't. When he did find out about the fix, once it was too late, he tried hard to avoid losing the players. They were good players and he had paid a lot of money to obtain them and didn't want to lose them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 give me another link beside a book just b/c a book says it, doesn't make it correct. i am still doubting your source of the 20.000. wow a book. even in your precious jerome article, it states that joe went to comiskey to give him the money the day after he was given it. if he was guilty why would he do this. Yes, Holtzman states the Jackson tried to give the money back, but not the day after he got it, like you state, but after the Series was over. Huge difference. It's too late to do anything than other than salvage his team. Feeling guilt about receiving blood money doesn't make him innocent. Judas hanged himself after betraying Christ, doesn't absolve him of his sins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 give me another link beside a book just b/c a book says it, doesn't make it correct. i am still doubting your source of the 20.000. wow a book. This is a joke, right? If some jamoke who lives in his parents' basement puts something on his website, that has more credence for you than a book? My goodness. And for the umpteenth time, I have never seen anything that shows that Joe tried to tell Comiskey before the Series, nor have I read that he tried to give back the money. Knowing the way Comiskey was, I find it difficult to believe he would turn down receiving $5000. Everything I've read tells me that Comiskey desperately wanted to win the Series and would have gone to lengths to stop the fix had he had time and the knowledge, but he didn't. When he did find out about the fix, once it was too late, he tried hard to avoid losing the players. They were good players and he had paid a lot of money to obtain them and didn't want to lose them. look in the post of cincypost, he tell of the holtzman article, can't you read what i posted. i said it there. even holtzman said that. in baseballibrary.com, it gave list of people who wrote stories of what happen. there are books and paragraph that stated that, so if you are saying that you will listen to those who wrote a book, i got it from them from a website. which show exerpts. i still haven't see anything about the 20,000. now he did get the talent and spent the money in order to get them. one point that no one has mention is ben johnson who was the boss of AL at the time. he had a hard on and was one of the person who help blow this out of proportion. he hated comiskey and wanted to get revernge. he help landis come to the decision of the banning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 give me another link beside a book just b/c a book says it, doesn't make it correct. i am still doubting your source of the 20.000. wow a book. even in your precious jerome article, it states that joe went to comiskey to give him the money the day after he was given it. if he was guilty why would he do this. Books are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more credible resources than internet websites. Websites are often not liable for slanderous comments or reporting false information (unless it's connected to a corporation or something like that, such as ESPN), while a book is. btw, i got alot of the info from exerpts from books which was on the website. so i am backing this up with many books version. esp the article on the innning by inning stat that i posted earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 I love the book Eight Men Out. That and Nelson Algrens short story Go! Go! Go! Forty Years Ago are to me the most important things written on the subject. This whole thing is a complex, multi faceted and very tragic affair. Weaver to me is not guilty. He came from Pennsylvania coal mine country at a time of vicious anti union activities. In his environment you just didn't rat on your friends, no matter what they did. I'm conflicted about Jackson. His actions on the field belie the fact that he threw the series. He got some big hits. I highly recommend the Algren story because it gets into the dynamics of the relationships between the players and the tough bullying nature of Swede Risberg who totally intimidated Jackson. Years later Hall of Fame catcher Ray Schalk told Chicago sports writer Bill Gleason that if not for the Black Sox there would have been no Yankees. One of the saddest things in life is to wonder what might have been. No Greek tragedy can match this affair for pathos. We feel its effects to this day. yeah you are right and i did use some of the algrens story. ref to your last statement, i agree if the black sox fix never happen, what a dynstasy(sp) we would had have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 look in the post of cincypost, he tell of the holtzman article, can't you read what i posted. i said it there. even holtzman said that. I edited that post and put up a new one. Yes, he did try to give back the money, but only after the Series was over. See my post a few posts ago for my feelings on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. either way, playing the devils advocate, there might have been stories floating around which may have made joe nervous and he wanted to come forward. either way, there is many books out there that claims to know the whole story and different version of it gooing around, i still maintain that joe tried to do the right thing and was not part of it. you are basing your info on 2 sources, whereas i am basing it on several different books and website. you call it your way and i will call it my way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniBob72 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. actually i didn't blow it off, i was basing my info on books that i read on the issue, so we are at an impass. so what do you want to continue this circular road of my proof vs yours? i am not a lawyer and i been dealing with the courts in one capacity or another. btw i am 43 yr old, retired and have a blast. even tho i miss working. i am not a little kid as you may be, in reference to my age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. Not all lawyers are bad, bro. Theres good and bad everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Okay.........do those beers come with their own toliet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Okay.........do those beers come with their own toliet? you really need to see the doctor about lapping up toliet water. its ok to see a dog do it, but it is different seeing a man do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Okay.........do those beers come with their own toliet? you really need to see the doctor about lapping up toliet water. its ok to see a dog do it, but it is different seeing a man do it. Well ill try, but if im gonna drink old style, i may be around that toliet quite often.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Okay.........do those beers come with their own toliet? you really need to see the doctor about lapping up toliet water. its ok to see a dog do it, but it is different seeing a man do it. Well ill try, but if im gonna drink old style, i may be around that toliet quite often.... doing sexual favors or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 so if you were wrong on this info, maybe you may have been mistaken on other info? uh. you were soooo sure that he never tried to give the money back and now you are retracting you statement and revising it. jeeze. Any information I've given I've accompanied by sources. When I've made a mistake, I've acknowledged it and corrected it. If only other people could do the same. I like the way you blew off the fact that you were wrong in that he tried to give it back the very next day. Very skillful. You must be a lawyer. Or want to be when you grow up. yeah but it was me that should you the error of your way, you were spouting off on a theme that was wrong, even when it was your source. Can i have one of those beers LDF? only serve old style here. Okay.........do those beers come with their own toliet? you really need to see the doctor about lapping up toliet water. its ok to see a dog do it, but it is different seeing a man do it. Well ill try, but if im gonna drink old style, i may be around that toliet quite often.... doing sexual favors or what? Are you flirting with me young man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 nah you are the one who is always talking about hanging around toliets, just like hookers do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 nah you are the one who is always talking about hanging around toliets, just like hookers do. And you would know this how................................LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 And you would know this how................................LOL remember i used to work for the gov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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