2016 Olympics Discussion

[RibbieRubarb]

Looks like Rio is clear frontrunner now...this is sucky news.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/olymp...1038,382,.story

 

 

[lostfan]

5th april fool's joke so far. lol. All the other cities are affected by the economic conditions too.

[Steve9347]

Well played.

[kapkomet]

*YAWN*

 

This is such a stupid day.

[danman31]

Damn, I wanted this to be true.

[NorthSideSox72]

Damn, I wanted this to be true.

Why?

 

[Y2HH]

Why?

 

Because, the crime rate, massive traffic issues, total lack of funding (which WILL be tossed to the taxpayer no matter what they say), etc. will make Chicago even more unbearable than it already is.

 

There are so many reasons to avoid this that the few reasons to get it are so far outweighed I won't bother going further into this.

 

Not that it matters, there is no way we get the Olympics here, and anyone who thinks we have an actual chance -- LOL.

[RibbieRubarb]

*YAWN*

 

This is such a stupid day.

 

Wet noodle...

[danman31]

Because, the crime rate, massive traffic issues, total lack of funding (which WILL be tossed to the taxpayer no matter what they say), etc. will make Chicago even more unbearable than it already is.

 

There are so many reasons to avoid this that the few reasons to get it are so far outweighed I won't bother going further into this.

 

Not that it matters, there is no way we get the Olympics here, and anyone who thinks we have an actual chance -- LOL.

Hey sweet, someone answered for me. Couldn't say it much better.

[southsider2k5]

Because, the crime rate, massive traffic issues, total lack of funding (which WILL be tossed to the taxpayer no matter what they say), etc. will make Chicago even more unbearable than it already is.

 

There are so many reasons to avoid this that the few reasons to get it are so far outweighed I won't bother going further into this.

 

Not that it matters, there is no way we get the Olympics here, and anyone who thinks we have an actual chance -- LOL.

 

Chicago's infrastructure is literally falling apart in front of our eyes. The best chance they have at getting that fixed is by getting the olympics here. That will mean the surface streets will get fixed, the El will get fixed, the interstates will get fixed, etc. World wide attention and free publicity will be showered on Chicago and will portray it as one of the most incredible places in the world, and serve as a reminder to the entire planet what Chicago has to offer the world. It will also force a critical eye to all of the negatives that happen here, such as corruption, because it will be the national and world medias and not the subserviant Chicago media who will want answers.

 

If you can't suck up 2-3 weeks worth of pain to recognize how much better off in the long run the City of Chicago would be for having the olympics, you are right, it isn't worth talking about.

[lostfan]

Chicago's infrastructure is literally falling apart in front of our eyes. The best chance they have at getting that fixed is by getting the olympics here. That will mean the surface streets will get fixed, the El will get fixed, the interstates will get fixed, etc. World wide attention and free publicity will be showered on Chicago and will portray it as one of the most incredible places in the world, and serve as a reminder to the entire planet what Chicago has to offer the world. It will also force a critical eye to all of the negatives that happen here, such as corruption, because it will be the national and world medias and not the subserviant Chicago media who will want answers.

 

If you can't suck up 2-3 weeks worth of pain to recognize how much better off in the long run the City of Chicago would be for having the olympics, you are right, it isn't worth talking about.

I could write this word for word and pass it off as my thoughts.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

Because, the crime rate, massive traffic issues, total lack of funding (which WILL be tossed to the taxpayer no matter what they say), etc. will make Chicago even more unbearable than it already is.

 

There are so many reasons to avoid this that the few reasons to get it are so far outweighed I won't bother going further into this.

 

Not that it matters, there is no way we get the Olympics here, and anyone who thinks we have an actual chance -- LOL.

 

Well let's see, Beijing just had the Summer Games which will hurt Tokyo's chances. London has the 2012 games (and Russia has the 2014 Winter) which pretty much rules out Madrid. And Rio is already hosting the 2014 World Cup and had the lowest score in the first round of voting. It is highly probable that one of Rio or Chicago will get it. Add in Rio's iffy infrastructure and their own problems with crime/security, I see no reason why Chicago has no "actual chance" as you say. In fact, I think it's funny if people actually believe that. Rio is the front runner since it'd be the first South American country to host it, but I'd say Chicago is right behind it.

[nitetrain8601]

I could write this word for word and pass it off as my thoughts.

 

As can I.

 

[Y2HH]

Chicago's infrastructure is literally falling apart in front of our eyes. The best chance they have at getting that fixed is by getting the olympics here. That will mean the surface streets will get fixed, the El will get fixed, the interstates will get fixed, etc. World wide attention and free publicity will be showered on Chicago and will portray it as one of the most incredible places in the world, and serve as a reminder to the entire planet what Chicago has to offer the world. It will also force a critical eye to all of the negatives that happen here, such as corruption, because it will be the national and world medias and not the subserviant Chicago media who will want answers.

 

If you can't suck up 2-3 weeks worth of pain to recognize how much better off in the long run the City of Chicago would be for having the olympics, you are right, it isn't worth talking about.

 

Too bad none of that will actually happen. They resurface the streets every year, and every year they need to be surfaced again. So X that idea out, because it's not going to be a one and done wonder. They will never fix the streets in this City, because they don't want too. Why? Because, if they do, they won't get the budget reset to do it again -- therefore they'll have to lay everyone off that works that specific unit of City construction, so they won't. Haven't you noticed they keep redoing the same damn roads every few years when they have modern construction materials and winter/salt resistant asphalt that they WILL NOT USE, because it wouldn't need to be replaced for more than a decade? The city is about 400M in deficit already, all of these fixes will make us even more deficit ridden -- who do you think that will ultimately be passed onto?

 

Our murder/crime rate is insane, because we have a disarmed police force who are tired of caring, while working without a contract for over two years, and because the 1% of bad cops are what the idiot people and media dwell on, when the other 99% are afraid to do anything on the chance they'll get fired, lose their pensions and their livelihoods when they have families to care for. I can go on and on, but you guys already have all the answers for everything I'll say, so I'll just concede, you win, you're right...the Olympics won't increase the crime rate (it will), they won't create massive bottlenecks in traffic 24/7 (they will), and they won't cost the taxpayers any money (they will, will will, big time), either.

 

Honestly, if you believe that, I have some beachfront land to sell you in Bridgeport.

 

And no, I can't suck up the 2-3 weeks (more like months, due to massive construction, etc, etc), because I'd like people to view Chicago in a different light. I can care less what others think of Chicago. I'm sorry I wouldn't want to trade our already dangerous City for an even more dangerous one at the slight chance it could end up getting someone in my family robbed, murdered or otherwise because of the massive crime increase. No, it's simply not worth it to me. Daley and anyone that likes him, thinks like him or supports him and his rtard ideas sucks. DIAF.

Edited April 1, 2009 by Y2HH

[Y2HH]

Well let's see, Beijing just had the Summer Games which will hurt Tokyo's chances. London has the 2012 games (and Russia has the 2014 Winter) which pretty much rules out Madrid. And Rio is already hosting the 2014 World Cup and had the lowest score in the first round of voting. It is highly probable that one of Rio or Chicago will get it. Add in Rio's iffy infrastructure and their own problems with crime/security, I see no reason why Chicago has no "actual chance" as you say. In fact, I think it's funny if people actually believe that. Rio is the front runner since it'd be the first South American country to host it, but I'd say Chicago is right behind it.

 

None of this could be further from the truth since those locations have absolutely no bearing on the others by proximity or otherwise, they don't consider that kind of thing, they never have. Russia has nothing to do with Madrid when it comes to the Olympic decision, nothing at all. Same goes for Beijing and Tokyo.

 

Of the four remaining, Chicago has the third lowest ranking by the international committee, as Tokyo and Madrid are both over 1.0 evaluation points higher. And Rio has the lowest chance of getting the Olympics, not the highest.

 

Read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics

Edited April 1, 2009 by Y2HH

[nitetrain8601]

None of this could be further from the truth since those locations have absolutely no bearing on the others by proximity or otherwise, they don't consider that kind of thing, they never have. Russia having it has nothing to do with Madrid, nothing at all. Same goes for Beijing and Tokyo.

 

Of the four remaining, Chicago has the third lowest ranking by the international committee, as Tokyo and Madrid are both over 1.0 evaluation points higher.

 

Read more here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Summer_Olympics

 

Please use a different source. Wikipedia should never be used to make a point. I could just go to that page, type in that Chicago is the frontrunner, and then post it somewhere else.

[Y2HH]

Please use a different source. Wikipedia should never be used to make a point. I could just go to that page, type in that Chicago is the frontrunner, and then post it somewhere else.

 

Ok, than do that, then come back to me.

[southsider2k5]

Too bad none of that will actually happen. They resurface the streets every year, and every year they need to be surfaced again. So X that idea out, because it's not going to be a one and done wonder. They will never fix the streets in this City, because they don't want too. Why? Because, if they do, they won't get the budget reset to do it again -- therefore they'll have to lay everyone off that works that specific unit of City construction, so they won't. Haven't you noticed they keep redoing the same damn roads every few years when they have modern construction materials and winter/salt resistant asphalt that they WILL NOT USE, because it wouldn't need to be replaced for more than a decade? The city is about 400M in deficit already, all of these fixes will make us even more deficit ridden -- who do you think that will ultimately be passed onto?

 

Our murder/crime rate is insane, because we have a disarmed police force who are tired of caring, while working without a contract for over two years, and because the 1% of bad cops are what the idiot people and media dwell on, when the other 99% are afraid to do anything on the chance they'll get fired, lose their pensions and their livelihoods when they have families to care for. I can go on and on, but you guys already have all the answers for everything I'll say, so I'll just concede, you win, you're right...the Olympics won't increase the crime rate (it will), they won't create massive bottlenecks in traffic 24/7 (they will), and they won't cost the taxpayers any money (they will, will will, big time), either.

 

Honestly, if you believe that, I have some beachfront land to sell you in Bridgeport.

 

Serious question, have you ever been to a place that actually is about to, or has just hosted the Olympics? Because having actually been through Atlanta in the spring of 1996 and seeing what they did to get that city ready for the games, then taking into account Chicagos national and international standing, you would realize that the things you are talking about just wouldn't happen if the Olympics were coming here. This isn't JUST a Chicago event. We are talking about local, county, state, and federal dollars here, as the entire nation's reputation goes on the line everytime an Olympics takes place. Just go back and look at the show the City put on in the in 1996 to host the Democratic convention, and times that times about 100.

 

The very idea that we aren't going to pay to fix anything if Chicago doesn't get the Olympics would make an ostrich proud of how deep in the sand that type of thinking is. Chicago already has all of these problems, and they don't have any solution for them. At least shining a world spotlight on these situations would force changes. For God's sake even China had to change the way they did things for a while when the Olympics were there. The idea that Chicago could host, and be the only places in the world in the modern era that didn't see major changes is just insane.

[Y2HH]

Serious question, have you ever been to a place that actually is about to, or has just hosted the Olympics? Because having actually been through Atlanta in the spring of 1996 and seeing what they did to get that city ready for the games, then taking into account Chicagos national and international standing, you would realize that the things you are talking about just wouldn't happen if the Olympics were coming here. This isn't JUST a Chicago event. We are talking about local, county, state, and federal dollars here, as the entire nation's reputation goes on the line everytime an Olympics takes place. Just go back and look at the show the City put on in the in 1996 to host the Democratic convention, and times that times about 100.

 

The very idea that we aren't going to pay to fix anything if Chicago doesn't get the Olympics would make an ostrich proud of how deep in the sand that type of thinking is. Chicago already has all of these problems, and they don't have any solution for them. At least shining a world spotlight on these situations would force changes. For God's sake even China had to change the way they did things for a while when the Olympics were there. The idea that Chicago could host, and be the only places in the world in the modern era that didn't see major changes is just insane.

 

I never said things wouldn't change. Not quite sure where you got that, but I never said it.

 

It'd just be more of the same crap we do now, only on a bigger scale, even more wasteful spending. Honestly, none of this bothers me...what I'm most concerned about is the crime rate -- Chicago's crime is simply out of control because our stupid mayor has crapped on the Police for so long none of them care anymore. Also, the media and digg-beral type fools running around this city have painted a picture that all police in Chicago are corrupt, etc. etc...and then a lot of you guys bought into it. I see it all the time, all over, about people thinking the Chicago police all suck.

 

Blah whatever. Coming from a family of cops, I know what it's really like in this city, and until Daley does something drastic to fix whats wrong with the police, I don't want us adding something like the Olympics here. We can't handle the crime rate of our own population, let alone an Olympics worth of it.

 

It'd be insane, and I wouldn't want to subject my family, friends, or any of you to that.

[danman31]

Please use a different source. Wikipedia should never be used to make a point. I could just go to that page, type in that Chicago is the frontrunner, and then post it somewhere else.

Read the official report here.

 

I got the link from Wiki and it's a good read. IMO, Tokyo will get it.

[Y2HH]

Read the official report here.

 

I got the link from Wiki and it's a good read. IMO, Tokyo will get it.

 

I hope Chicago doesn't get it, but I think Obama getting elected can sway that -- unfortunately. And I realize I'm in a minority here about not wanting the Olympics here, but whatever...I still hope we fail.

[Soxbadger]

They will never fix the streets in this City, because they don't want too.

 

The problem with the streets has nothing to do with the want or ability to fix them, but instead is based on science.

 

Chicago has hot and cold weather. When the weather is warm, we have rain. When the weather is cold, we have snow. When it rains, small water molecules get into the cracks in asphalt. When it freezes those molecules expand, as the water expands it causes small cracks in the asphalt. When the water molecules melt small holes are left in the street. If you repeat this process over and over again, you begin to see bigger and bigger cracks, eventually resulting in large pot holes.

 

If you could invent something to stop this process, you would be rich. The city has hundreds of other problems it could be using its workers on.

 

None of this could be further from the truth since those locations have absolutely no bearing on the others by proximity or otherwise, they don't consider that kind of thing, they never have. Russia having it has nothing to do with Madrid, nothing at all. Same goes for Beijing and Tokyo.

 

Where did you get this information?

 

Ive heard numerous interviews with IOC members who say proximity to recent Olympics does matter.

 

Also this would be the first Olympics in the US since Utah and the first summer Olympics since Atlanta. It would be 14 years since Utah and 22 years since Atlanta.

 

If you were to compare how often the US had Olympics since 1945, it is pretty clear that the US is getting either the 2016, 2018 or 2020 games. Since 1960, the US has never gone over 20 years without an Olympics. The fact is US corporate sponsors are put in a lot of money, and the Olympic committee is not going to forget that.

[kapkomet]

London was the lowest going in and they got it.

 

And I'm glad Chicago sucks so much that you don't want to see investment in your own city... f*** what anyone else thinks of your city.

 

[Y2HH]

The problem with the streets has nothing to do with the want or ability to fix them, but instead is based on science.

 

Chicago has hot and cold weather. When the weather is warm, we have rain. When the weather is cold, we have snow. When it rains, small water molecules get into the cracks in asphalt. When it freezes those molecules expand, as the water expands it causes small cracks in the asphalt. When the water molecules melt small holes are left in the street. If you repeat this process over and over again, you begin to see bigger and bigger cracks, eventually resulting in large pot holes.

 

If you could invent something to stop this process, you would be rich. The city has hundreds of other problems it could be using its workers on.

 

 

 

Where did you get this information?

 

Ive heard numerous interviews with IOC members who say proximity to recent Olympics does matter.

 

Also this would be the first Olympics in the US since Utah and the first summer Olympics since Atlanta. It would be 14 years since Utah and 22 years since Atlanta.

 

If you were to compare how often the US had Olympics since 1945, it is pretty clear that the US is getting either the 2016, 2018 or 2020 games. Since 1960, the US has never gone over 20 years without an Olympics. The fact is US corporate sponsors are put in a lot of money, and the Olympic committee is not going to forget that.

 

I don't care if the US gets the Olympics, I just don't want them in Chicago.

 

Since the IOC is one of the most corrupt organizations there is, maybe they're a perfect fit for Chicago! I wouldn't believe much of anything you hear them say, ever. But again, they're a perfect match for Chicago.

Edited April 1, 2009 by Y2HH

[Y2HH]

London was the lowest going in and they got it.

 

And I'm glad Chicago sucks so much that you don't want to see investment in your own city... f*** what anyone else thinks of your city.

 

Well, Chicago sucks...so I'm glad that you're glad. And I absolutely agree, f*** what anyone else thinks!

 

See that?! I agree with everything you said!

 

I know, maybe if they raise our taxes even more (which the Olympics will undoubtedly do), than it'll get better here, nevermind the fact we already have one of the most out of control city taxes in the states! Let's raise them more!!!! MORE MORE MORE!!! Then we can get the Olympics here, further increase or deficit, because I mean, that's what we do now, right? Spend money we don't have? Then take on other projects we can't afford and go even further into debt?! Yeah, let's do that even more!

 

Apparently the half of you talking s*** about Obama's stimulus bills have no qualms about going further into debt as long as it helps your own city! Because that's what you're saying -- each of you that wants this is totally ok with further deficit spending in this City, further borrowing, as long as it can temporarily help YOU and YOUR City.

 

Sorry, but if you are against Obama's stimulus plans and total continuation of deficit spending....then you should be against the City of Chicago spending even MORE money it doesn't have to get the Olympics here.

 

:P

Edited April 1, 2009 by Y2HH