fathom Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (daa84 @ Apr 9, 2009 -> 03:20 AM) whats even more inexcusable is that your opening day CF last year, is still on the roster, yet you didnt even try him in CF for 1 inning this spring, when in the near future you could forseeably have a glut of decent middle IF options Yep, it's just inexcusable...I was thinking today that if you can get the Dodgers to pay most of his salary, I'd want Pierre on this team. Pierre stealing bases with Getz's bat control could be special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friend of Nordhagen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 09:09 PM) I just don't know what the f*** KW was thinking this offseason. He was too busy trying to clean up his mistakes from last offseason (Swisher, OC's arb), and inexcusably did nothing to help this 25 man roster. It's honestly one of the worst GM decisions you'll ever see, and it's reflected in the booing by our great fans (I mean this sincerely, as it's fantastic to see people booing the decisions being made). This is right. At least I hope that's why people are booing. But I'm afraid that Williams and Ozzie are doing to Dewayne what they did to Mackowiak by putting him in center -- putting him in a position to fail miserably and draw the ire of our fans. Wise has many drawbacks (cue the OBP numbers), but the guy was a useful player off the bench last year -- had some good pinch hits (and usually got good at-bats even if he didn't get on), stole some bases, and could fill in throughout the outfield (not brilliantly, but he was okay). But he's exposed in the way he's being played, and it's really a function of lousy decisions in the general manager's office. Whatever happens, I hope that he can at least be serviceable in the role he played last year. But I wonder what will happen to his confidence, thanks to being sacrificed at the altar of "no deals were available." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I LUUUUUV THAT DUCK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 03:22 PM) Everyone has seen this one coming like a deer in the headlights. Umm, the point of that saying is that the deer didn't see it coming. And then when the deer did finally see the headlights, it was caught by surprise, thus the deer froze and couldn't think what to do next. Or, are you saying we're driving the car and seeing the deer in the headlights? f*** me for analyzing this. Edited April 9, 2009 by BobDylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 08:42 PM) This is right. At least I hope that's why people are booing. But I'm afraid that Williams and Ozzie are doing to Dewayne what they did to Mackowiak by putting him in center -- putting him in a position to fail miserably and draw the ire of our fans. Wise has many drawbacks (cue the OBP numbers), but the guy was a useful player off the bench last year -- had some good pinch hits (and usually got good at-bats even if he didn't get on), stole some bases, and could fill in throughout the outfield (not brilliantly, but he was okay). But he's exposed in the way he's being played, and it's really a function of lousy decisions in the general manager's office. Whatever happens, I hope that he can at least be serviceable in the role he played last year. But I wonder what will happen to his confidence, thanks to being sacrificed at the altar of "no deals were available." agrees totally,Wise seems like a nice guy but a starting CF he is not,don't boo Wise,boo Ozzie and KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Why shouldn't Wise be booed? He sucks, plain and simple; Wise has been a bad ballplayer his entire career and is still making a go at it. It's great to appreciate the effort he's making, but to not boo him would be like voting for that crappy oblivious kid on American Idol, because "you don't want him to know how bad he really is." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 10:15 PM) Why shouldn't Wise be booed? He sucks, plain and simple; Wise has been a bad ballplayer his entire career and is still making a go at it. It's great to appreciate the effort he's making, but to not boo him would be like voting for that crappy oblivious kid on American Idol, because "you don't want him to know how bad he really is." Because it's not Wise's fault he's getting trotted out there for something he's not able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 This is one of those deals where the fans have spoken. Did they boo him noticeably again tonight? If so, KW and Oz, do what the fans want. Dump him. No sense having the Cell be full of negative vibes all season. We wouldn't lose much if anything if he's yanked off the team or at least out of the lineup. It's really going to be a long year if the fans boo this guy every game. Negative vibes suck. Oz and KW, make your next move. The fans hate Wise in cf. -- I do think it's sad that Wise is the scapegoat here, but "it is what it is." The fans have spoken, dump Wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Chris Rongey wants to wait a few weeks with Wise at the top, and if at that point he sucks then make a change. Sure Chris, lets tank the first month of the season giving the worst hitter in the lineup the most ABs. Good job Chris. Can we give Mr Anderson a game, oh I am sure his first game after sitting for over a week will be Liriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Sorry I don't know the answer to this yet. Did the fans boo Wise a lot again tonight? Has it been really loud booing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Look at the bright side Ryan Sweeney is hitting .455 , .500 OBP , 1.045 OPS all for that peace of s*** Swisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 (edited) I love the defense that Rongey and others are taking: "Give the guy a few weeks, he came through for us last year". No he didn't. His OBP was .29 He is not a major league baseball player. He is not a starting center fielder. He is not a leadoff hitter on a contender. He is not a leadoff hitter. Bring the boos. Also, bring the booze. Edited April 9, 2009 by GREEDY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 11:32 PM) Sorry I don't know the answer to this yet. Did the fans boo Wise a lot again tonight? Has it been really loud booing? They booed when he popped out on a bunt attempt, it wasn't unbearably loud, but it was noticeable. They cheered, I guess sarcastically, when he made a play in CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 9, 2009 -> 03:35 AM) They booed when he popped out on a bunt attempt, it wasn't unbearably loud, but it was noticeable. They cheered, I guess sarcastically, when he made a play in CF. There weren't enough fans in attendance to boo loudly enough to be really audible. That had to be one of the most boring games I can recall. The Sox didn't hit a ball within 50 feet of the outfield wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 09:47 PM) agrees totally,Wise seems like a nice guy but a starting CF he is not,don't boo Wise,boo Ozzie and KW You CAN'T boo Ozzie and KW, you can only boo the product of their decisions. If I were booing Dewayne Wise, it's not because I don't think the dude doesn't have a career in baseball - I still think he'd be a more than adequate 4th outfielder and pinch hitter - but rather because Ozzie and KW put him out there. I think Wise is a huge waste in CF right now, and it's unfortunate that he's still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 That was boring. What an amazing sport. Just think if that was the only game you had a ticket to all year. It was so dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Something that was disappointing is that even after yesterday's dramatic win, it seemed like the Wise issue was the most talked about thing relating to the Sox. When you add in Ozzie's ambiguous comments, it seemed to create some bad mojo. Poor Wise is going to be trying so hard at the plate to shut up everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZPride08 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 is anyone else embarrassed that our leadoff hitter is 0-8, with 4 K's and no BB... o and i guess he's never learned how to lay down a bunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (LZPride08 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 10:41 PM) is anyone else embarrassed that our leadoff hitter is 0-8, with 4 K's and no BB... o and i guess he's never learned how to lay down a bunt How many walks did he draw in the spring, how many walks does he draw overall. Wise is what he is, a career minor leaguer, who gets most of his OBP from his bat. He is not particularly good at hitting, can't field all that well. And is probably a 4th OF, on a mediocre team. Here, for some crazy reason he is a starter and a leadoff guy. I figure he will get destroyed over the next month. They will move him from leadoff, and put him down at 9th for his laughable defense. Brian will get spot starts when Liriano, Lester, or some other lefty comes up to face the sox. Then of course its back to punt, kick and run the Dewayne Wise attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (LZPride08 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 10:41 PM) is anyone else embarrassed that our leadoff hitter is 0-8, with 4 K's and no BB... o and i guess he's never learned how to lay down a bunt He has just as many hits as Ramirez and Quentin combined. I'm really not embarrassed. They are 1-1. His awfulness has not cost the White Sox a game yet. Hopefully, the White Sox will see the mistake they are making before it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 10:47 PM) How many walks did he draw in the spring, how many walks does he draw overall. Wise is what he is, a career minor leaguer, who gets most of his OBP from his bat. He is not particularly good at hitting, can't field all that well. And is probably a 4th OF, on a mediocre team. Here, for some crazy reason he is a starter and a leadoff guy. I figure he will get destroyed over the next month. They will move him from leadoff, and put him down at 9th for his laughable defense. Brian will get spot starts when Liriano, Lester, or some other lefty comes up to face the sox. Then of course its back to punt, kick and run the Dewayne Wise attack. Yep, and the best part is gonna be when they give BA 6 AB's against Liriano/Lester and he goes 1-6..... after Wise goes 0-April..... I guarantee they say "SEE BA ISN'T THE ANSWER!!! HE CAN'T HIT!!!!!" I love this team, but the way they refuse to admit they are wrong is frustrating as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) Yep, and the best part is gonna be when they give BA 6 AB's against Liriano/Lester and he goes 1-6..... after Wise goes 0-April..... I guarantee they say "SEE BA ISN'T THE ANSWER!!! HE CAN'T HIT!!!!!" I love this team, but the way they refuse to admit they are wrong is frustrating as hell. BA and Wise are both bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZPride08 Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) BA and Wise are both bad. True but from their past tendencies, I'd rather have BA's above average fielding over what Wise brings to the table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) BA and Wise are both bad. People keep bringing this up....yes they're both bad, but I'm taking the glove and faint possibility of hits, neither of which you get with Wise. This will be the lineup by May 1st: getz fields q thome dye pk xei ajp BA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Apr 9, 2009 -> 12:17 AM) People keep bringing this up....yes they're both bad, but I'm taking the glove and faint possibility of hits, neither of which you get with Wise. This will be the lineup by May 1st: getz fields q thome dye pk xei ajp BA That line up I like, AJ belongs down in the line up, now we'll have the auto out at the 9th hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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