DBAHO Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (TheHolyBovine @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:43 PM) Neither Willits or Gregor add OBP OR power, which makes them sound similar to what we have already. Willits .391 OBP in 430 AB's in 2007 and Blanco's .366 OBP in 430 AB's in 2008 says otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) He's not 'immature'. He's not a borderline bad guy. He's a psychopath who took pictures a gun with his cellphone and text messaged them to his ex explaining how he was going to kill her. No.... just no!!!!! We've all been drunk before, right? JK. I did not know about this. Anyway, I've always felt that unless you're a straight up criminal talent always wins out. I don't need 'good' guys. I want guys that can help my team win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 He's been completely restrained and calm in Washington, and has performed very well when given the opportunity. That's because he went to the one place where his presence would not substanially increase the metro crime rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:54 PM) That's because he went to the one place where his presence would not substanially increase the metro crime rate. Ha! He might not in Chicago either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonik22 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) This sounds very gay :lolhitting :lolhitting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) I was commenting on Steve9347 and his bad fantasy picks. He had Dukes starting for Washington this year. He would not stop trying to Pawn Dunn on to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:51 PM) We've all been drunk before, right? JK. I did not know about this. Anyway, I've always felt that unless you're a straight up criminal talent always wins out. I don't need 'good' guys. I want guys that can help my team win games. NM. I just read Dukes' Wikipedia page. Dude is crazy. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Hell no. Dukes is a dirtbag, and you could make a good case for him to be kicked out of the league. Wanting him, and in fact wanting us trade anything of value for him is beyond stupid. It's just a matter of time before this scumbag is locked up for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Dukes is the classic example - you wither care about character and personality in your players or you don't. I think we can all agree that throwing that away, Dukes would immediately become our starting center fielder and make a huge impact on our lineup. He takes walks, he's a power/speed combo player with tremendous upside. Of course he's also a terrible human being. We saw last year that guys who don't mesh with the clubhouse don't last on this team. We saw that guys who don't know their role or clash with Ozzie will not be welcome. I think this pretty much rules out nay acquisition of Dukes. On the other hand, before coming to the White Sox, Bobby Jenks was pretty widely accepted to be a psychopath too. I don't think Carl Everett won any humanitarian awards. And then there's that guy behind the plate, who has a similarly spotty reputation. If you'd refuse to acquire a guy who would be a monstrous upgrade just because he's a prick, then you're making a misjudgment. But we'd be right to remain weary of giving up too much to acquire a player who might cause trouble and eventually warrant his release. It's a classical risk/reward scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Elijah Dukes for Adam Russell etc. is laughable. The Nats would start with Poreda... start with Poreda. He is 24 and posted an .860 OPS in '08. He is a legit 30/30 candidate. I'd trade ANY of our minor league talent outside of Beckham for him. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'd also like to be able to get a seat when going to Sox games. It doesn't help that Elijah gets tickets for his 5 baby mommas and his 12 bastard kids. Scummy piece of s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:51 PM) Willits .391 OBP in 430 AB's in 2007 and Blanco's .366 OBP in 430 AB's in 2008 says otherwise. I'll give you those numbers. However, both are average in the field and have absolutely no power. Sounds like Scotty Pods. Can't we do better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (GREEDY @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:04 PM) Elijah Dukes for Adam Russell etc. is laughable. The Nats would start with Poreda... start with Poreda. He is 24 and posted an .860 OPS in '08. He is a legit 30/30 candidate. I'd trade ANY of our minor league talent outside of Beckham for him. Yep. He's also a legit 30 to life candidate. It's a shame to, cause he is such a great talent and could be one of the best young players in the game up there with the Upton's and Longoria, etc. But he just doesn't care and has no regard for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 For reference, the Nationals gave up Glenn Gibson to acquire Dukes. Gibson was a 19 year old pitcher from A ball with good peripherals and about 70 innings under his belt. THAT, I'd give up in a heartbeat. But I'd hold on to our top 10 guys in this instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (R.J. @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) For reference, the Nationals gave up Glenn Gibson to acquire Dukes. Gibson was a 19 year old pitcher from A ball with good peripherals and about 70 innings under his belt. THAT, I'd give up in a heartbeat. But I'd hold on to our top 10 guys in this instance. The Nationals are also one of the worst run organizations in baseball and are already headed in the direction of being yet again one of the worst, if not the worst team in the MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (R.J. @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:04 PM) Dukes is the classic example - you wither care about character and personality in your players or you don't. I think we can all agree that throwing that away, Dukes would immediately become our starting center fielder and make a huge impact on our lineup. He takes walks, he's a power/speed combo player with tremendous upside. Of course he's also a terrible human being. We saw last year that guys who don't mesh with the clubhouse don't last on this team. We saw that guys who don't know their role or clash with Ozzie will not be welcome. I think this pretty much rules out nay acquisition of Dukes. On the other hand, before coming to the White Sox, Bobby Jenks was pretty widely accepted to be a psychopath too. I don't think Carl Everett won any humanitarian awards. And then there's that guy behind the plate, who has a similarly spotty reputation. If you'd refuse to acquire a guy who would be a monstrous upgrade just because he's a prick, then you're making a misjudgment. But we'd be right to remain weary of giving up too much to acquire a player who might cause trouble and eventually warrant his release. It's a classical risk/reward scenario. Great post. And I'll also point out that Swisher and Cabrera, historically speaking anyway, were thought to be great teammates/character guys before they came to the Sox. We all know how that worked out. Everett was a "cancer" everywhere he had been until he came to the Sox. It's impossible to predict how attitudes and personalities manifest themselves in the locker room and on the field. It's probably quite a bit overrated, anyway. Ultimately, talent wins, almost every time (outside of the 1987-1991 NY Mets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 He's also a legit 30 to life candidate. Good one! BASTARD FROM A BASKET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Who started this thread, Elijah Dukes? Tampa got better because tampa got rid of punks like Dukes and Delmon young. no thanks. Play BA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 03:11 AM) The Nationals are also one of the worst run organizations in baseball and are already headed in the direction of being yet again one of the worst, if not the worst team in the MLB. Uh, yeah. But with Bowden gone, they're dong damage control. There are comments out there from front office managerial types saying how it's ludicrous that they have 5 outfielders, 3 first basemen, and basically no pitching. What I pointed out is that the investment they made in Dukes wasn't a huge one, likely because everyone knows he's a huge character issue. It doesn't hurt us to call them up and see what their feeling is on him. If they ask for Poreda, then no, sorry. If they ask for something similar to what they gave up 2 years ago (a young pitcher from deeper in the system) then roll the dice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:14 PM) Who started this thread, Elijah Dukes? Tampa got better because tampa got rid of punks like Dukes and Delmon young. no thanks. Play BA. Tampa got better because their talented pitching staff simultaneously gelled and dominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (TheHolyBovine @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:33 PM) Guess it depends on how you view Poreda. I think he's relief all the way, but that's just me. Would totally agree. Poreda doesn't have a real third pitch. And as bad as this sounds, if it wins us more ballgames than that's fine with me. If you are building any pro team on the basis of "character guys" it would be tough to fill a 25 man roster. Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (R.J. @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) Uh, yeah. But with Bowden gone, they're dong damage control. There are comments out there from front office managerial types saying how it's ludicrous that they have 5 outfielders, 3 first basemen, and basically no pitching. What I pointed out is that the investment they made in Dukes wasn't a huge one, likely because everyone knows he's a huge character issue. It doesn't hurt us to call them up and see what their feeling is on him. If they ask for Poreda, then no, sorry. If they ask for something similar to what they gave up 2 years ago (a young pitcher from deeper in the system) then roll the dice. And if not Dukes, then ask about Willie Harris. I'm not kidding. Dude hit 13 HRs last year, and had OBP of .344. What CFer currently in the organization is capable of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Just one more thing to add: if Dukes was a free agent and willing to take a deal for whatever he's making right now, would you give him a chance? Knowing that the alternative is starting DeWayne Wise in center field and watching him hit about .220? If you said no, then I think that's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Charged with threatening to kill his wife. Rumored to have impregnated a 17 year old. and now has a special assistant that goes everywhere with him to make sure he stays out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Apr 7, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) He's not 'immature'. He's not a borderline bad guy. He's a psychopath who took pictures a gun with his cellphone and text messaged them to his ex explaining how he was going to kill her. No.... just no!!!!! IPhone pics suck, it was prolly a picture of his crucifix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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