Soxpranos Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Per twitter Ozzie Said he is standing behind the decision to have Wise in the leadoff spot. "it's not his fault that he is the leadoff hitter". Edited April 8, 2009 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I think Ozzie is more or less stating that he's the best of the options they have and he's trying to explain to the fans don't blame Wise, blame me or blame Kenny. Just my two cents and I fully expect the Sox to try and acquire and take a chance on a youngster or pick up some sort of veteran who might not be a leadoff guy but has a history of a high OBP and go with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) I think Ozzie is more or less stating that he's the best of the options they have and he's trying to explain to the fans don't blame Wise, blame me or blame Kenny. Just my two cents and I fully expect the Sox to try and acquire and take a chance on a youngster or pick up some sort of veteran who might not be a leadoff guy but has a history of a high OBP and go with him. Basically trying to take some pressure off Wise, but Ozzie can only do what he can with the players he has. Yes. Getz is an option , but he seems to be the ideal 2nd place hitter. Kenny needs to address this , hopefully one of our young guys can take the bulls by the horn and get up here and make this work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Ozzie is an idiot if he actually thinks that's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Ozzie's right. And I blame Ozzie. Ozzie picked the worst choice, the worst player on the roster, a player who shouldn't be on the 40 man, to get the most at bats on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Someone like Frank Catalanotto five years ago would have been perfect, if he could actually play CF adequately. That's the problem...there are a lot of corner outfielders that can give you decent numbers offensively, but the combination of the range and defensive ability AND the 350+ OBP is much harder to come by. It doesn't even have to be a player with blinding speed (and BA definitely isn't that), but then the leadoff issue comes up in combination, we've been talking about this over and over and over again for months with no easy solutions. I'm sure that quote was taken out of context...and made to look more dramatic. It was probably something along the lines of he was the best of the FEW/LIMITED options immediately available and they weren't ready to move Getz up until he got his feet under him and a little confidence to start the season. Edited April 8, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 How long before ARam to CF and Beckham to SS?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 04:38 PM) Ozzie's right. And I blame Ozzie. Ozzie picked the worst choice, the worst player on the roster, a player who shouldn't be on the 40 man, to get the most at bats on the team. ozzie, really? how about kenny for giving him garbage to choose from? kw said he tried to get a leadoff hitter but none were available. b.s. its that they didnt want to add payroll. taveras isnt ichiro or roberts but he would have been a decent leadoff guy. he was available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 This CF/ leadoff hitter thing reminds me of the days of the roulette of 5th starters several yrs in a row.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) How long before ARam to CF and Beckham to SS?? What gets really interesting is if ARam is excellent defensively at SS.....and Getz becomes a Theriot type in the lineup. Then you get into an odd place. Would the team actually think about moving Beckham, perhaps for a B.J. Upton type, someone developed who can play CF? I'm thinking it'd have to be someone nearing steeper arb prices. Some team would perhaps throw in pitching as well for Beckham, perhaps out of a need to save $ in the current climate. I'm trying to think of near-star level guys who are due for bigger and bigger raises soon.... isnt Baltimore having trouble with getting Markakis on something long term? Edited April 8, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) Ozzie's right. And I blame Ozzie. Ozzie picked the worst choice, the worst player on the roster, a player who shouldn't be on the 40 man, to get the most at bats on the team. This fanbase just HAS to have someone on the team to attack. Disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) What gets really interesting is if ARam is excellent defensively at SS.....and Getz becomes a Theriot type in the lineup. Then you get into an odd place. Would the team actually think about moving Beckham, perhaps for a B.J. Upton type, someone developed who can play CF? I'm thinking it'd have to be someone nearing steeper arb prices. Some team would perhaps throw in pitching as well for Beckham, perhaps out of a need to save $ in the current climate. I'm trying to think of near-star level guys who are due for bigger and bigger raises soon.... isnt Baltimore having trouble with getting Markakis on something long term? Not really sure about his contract.. but I would love to get Markakis from them... not likely though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) I think what no one's saying is that Getz has been earmarked to leadoff for this team, but they want to ease him into the majors with a less pressure filled spot than leadoff. At least for a bit. In fact we learned from Wise's ST interview that they pretty much told him as much. I'm not so much disgusted by Wise being up there as I really think the organization has to think long and hard about how underutilized they may be leaving Alexei R. As another poster pointed out, while we have no true 2-hitter (if Getz is up in 1)........... Alexei at least cuts down on K's and can put it in play. As we stand, 8 and 9 might be two of the best bats in the lineup... by the time we find out which of the older core guys are deteriorating... it may be too late. We may have lost some games and fallen behind due to waiting for aging sluggers to come around. Alexei needs to be put in a place where he can make an impact. It's really weird, what we're doing right now is saying "hey we have no proven 1-2 hitters, so we'll let hitters 3-9 do what 1-7 should be doing." Which means you're kicking away atbats each game up top. Edited April 8, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 The one in-house option is moving Ramirez to CF, but given how Ozzie has raved about his defense, that won't happen and I agree they shouldn't do that. Nothing more valuable than a SS who can hit and field at a high level. I'm not saying Ramirez has proven himself but the Sox clearly believe he'll do that. If Getz is ready, than a Getz/Fields combo is the way to go. Heck, my biggest concern offensively, sans the leadoff spot, is Carlos Quentin. Mechanically his swing is off and the bat speed is noticeably slower. My hope is that is because he's still recovering to baseball shape following the injury and that he will continue improve until he is back at 100%, but currently he looks like a shell of the player we saw last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerAtIU Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) This fanbase just HAS to have someone on the team to attack. Disgusting. A good fan should have the goal for their team to be as best as possible and win a championship, by pointing out a part of the team which is obviously subpar does not mean fans just "need something to attack" just merely we are smart enough to realize how to get better to achieve those ultimate goals... come on be smarter then that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 05:17 PM) The one in-house option is moving Ramirez to CF, but given how Ozzie has raved about his defense, that won't happen and I agree they shouldn't do that. Nothing more valuable than a SS who can hit and field at a high level. I'm not saying Ramirez has proven himself but the Sox clearly believe he'll do that. If Getz is ready, than a Getz/Fields combo is the way to go. Heck, my biggest concern offensively, sans the leadoff spot, is Carlos Quentin. Mechanically his swing is off and the bat speed is noticeably slower. My hope is that is because he's still recovering to baseball shape following the injury and that he will continue improve until he is back at 100%, but currently he looks like a shell of the player we saw last year. after one game. though actually i agree with you. i think he's in for a down year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Is this the poster former known as soxfan420? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Reddy @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 03:20 PM) after one game. though actually i agree with you. i think he's in for a down year. I was basing it on an entire spring training. I know you don't look at spring necessarily and say wow this guys going to suck, but as a whole, I looked at him in spring and for the most part he looked really bad at the plate. Just physically he didn't look right. Very slow swing which looked significantly longer than last years where he seemed to just be short and quick to the ball and that enabled him to drive the s*** out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 06:11 PM) What gets really interesting is if ARam is excellent defensively at SS.....and Getz becomes a Theriot type in the lineup. Then you get into an odd place. Would the team actually think about moving Beckham, perhaps for a B.J. Upton type, someone developed who can play CF? I'm thinking it'd have to be someone nearing steeper arb prices. Some team would perhaps throw in pitching as well for Beckham, perhaps out of a need to save $ in the current climate. I'm trying to think of near-star level guys who are due for bigger and bigger raises soon.... isnt Baltimore having trouble with getting Markakis on something long term? No. 6 years 66 million a few weeks back QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 06:15 PM) Not really sure about his contract.. but I would love to get Markakis from them... not likely though. Not a chance. He's the O's franchise player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Markakis signed a six year contract 3 months ago, Baltimore has money and he's still 3 years away from free agency and one of the best young players in the game. He was never in danger of being traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 04:18 PM) A good fan should have the goal for their team to be as best as possible and win a championship, by pointing out a part of the team which is obviously subpar does not mean fans just "need something to attack" just merely we are smart enough to realize how to get better to achieve those ultimate goals... come on be smarter then that "as best as possible"? Unless you are a 3rd grade grammar student, you may not wanna tell others to be "smarter than that". Yeah, the chorus of boos raining down on Wise yesterday was just the fans being smarter on how to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Whoopsy. Hmm, well I wonder what other names are out there - CFs who can hit a ton and are nearing a payday. Anyone help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantl916 Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Apr 8, 2009 -> 03:28 PM) Whoopsy. Hmm, well I wonder what other names are out there - CFs who can hit a ton and are nearing a payday. Anyone help? Elijah Dukes is the obvious candidate at this point, but everyone hates his checkered past and attitude, so it's probably a no go. He surmise could be had for a decent minor leaguer or two (say Broadway/Egbert and Ely) but thats just a guess. Could plug him into the #8 spot with Getz leading off and Alexei batting #2, and it would be suuupppper nice IMO. Won't get a lot of support from outsiders though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Randy Winn maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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