Balta1701 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 07:02 PM) The Bears would have to win 3 road games to get to Miami though, because the odds of them winning the division over Minnesota are very, very low, even if TO is brought in. TO would help Cutler, but he wouldn't fix the offensive line or secondary/defense in general issues. I wouldn't make the move since I think the Bears are a wild card team with TO and a wild card team without him, and I don't think you bring in a guy like that unless he makes you noticeably better. Really, we've already decided the Bears can't beat Minnesota? The Vikings won't lose any other games randomly? The Bears and Vikings so far are giving up an almost identical number of yards per game and are actually very close in points scored per game on offense. The only thing the Vikings are doing much better than the bears is Yards/game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 In my opinion, if the decision to trade for TO hinges on taking away snaps from Knox or Bennett... it should be a no-brainer. I like both players, but I don't believe either of them have a pro bowl ceiling at the WR position. Furthermore, a team should be able to bring players along without a ton of in-game snaps, if they can't its probably more of a indictment on the coaching staff than anything else. This is not to say that there aren't other concerns about bringing in TO, but its probably not worth the time or effort because Angelo is not going to pull the trigger on this kind of deal. Cutler was a no-brainer, bold, but an easy decision nonetheless. This type of controversial, risky move doesn't fit Angelo's MO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (T R U @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) That isn't overrated at all. Chad Pennington is a pure professional through and through. You are trying to tell me that sitting behind Pennington and going through film with him and soaking as much as you can from one of the most accurate and smartest QBs in the league doesn't really matter? It was more than just getting "advice". And it was more than just watching him play too. You also say that a QB is going to be good because of coaching. Well Pennington was like a really good QB coach for Henne so that pretty much bunks your statement that Pennington had little do with it. Plus, you aren't a Dolphins fan you don't follow them, you don't know whats going on. I do. And I can tell you, Pennington was a big part of his development. You being a Dolphins fan doesnt mean your on the sideline and at film sessions and know whats going on, you just read articles like the rest of us do. Pennington is no different than any other veteran QB the Dolphins would have had if they didnt have him. And by coaching I obviously meant actual coaches and even than talent and players around you are bigger factors in a QB's success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) The Bears would have to win 3 road games to get to Miami though, because the odds of them winning the division over Minnesota are very, very low, even if TO is brought in. TO would help Cutler, but he wouldn't fix the offensive line or secondary/defense in general issues. I wouldn't make the move since I think the Bears are a wild card team with TO and a wild card team without him, and I don't think you bring in a guy like that unless he makes you noticeably better. You're right. Minnesota is the the next 72 Dolphins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 09:24 PM) Really, we've already decided the Bears can't beat Minnesota? The Vikings won't lose any other games randomly? The Bears and Vikings so far are giving up an almost identical number of yards per game and are actually very close in points scored per game on offense. The only thing the Vikings are doing much better than the bears is Yards/game. The Vikings have a much better offensive line, running back, and defense than the Bears, while having comparable WR's/TE's and only a moderately worse quarterback. The Bears are better on special teams, but I can't see how anybody can look at the Bears and Vikings without superfan glasses on and come to any conclusion other than the Vikings are going to win the divison. I'm hopeful that I am wrong on this and that this quote will end up on somebody's signature in January, but I doubt it. And lol, thanks for putting words in my mouth whitesoxbrian. Because yeah, me saying the Vikings are better than the Bears means they are the '72 Dolphins. Right. Edited October 14, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Meh,the Vikings so far have had a cream puff schedule,only good team they've beaten is the 49ers and it took a last second miracle,the Pack are a .500 team IMO and the other 3 teams sucked... They are a good team,just don't know really how good and I believe we can compete against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 08:49 PM) You being a Dolphins fan doesnt mean your on the sideline and at film sessions and know whats going on, you just read articles like the rest of us do. Pennington is no different than any other veteran QB the Dolphins would have had if they didnt have him. And by coaching I obviously meant actual coaches and even than talent and players around you are bigger factors in a QB's success. No I am not there, but I have access to people who ARE there and various other sources of information. Like I said, you aren't a fan nor follow them, so I wouldn't expect you to know or understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 You can arguably say that Cutler would be the most talented QB that T.O. would have ever worked with. Garcia, McNabb, Romo, and Edwards were/are not as accurate as Cutler, nor as elusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 11:36 PM) The Vikings have a much better offensive line, running back, and defense than the Bears, while having comparable WR's/TE's and only a moderately worse quarterback. The Bears are better on special teams, but I can't see how anybody can look at the Bears and Vikings without superfan glasses on and come to any conclusion other than the Vikings are going to win the divison. I'm hopeful that I am wrong on this and that this quote will end up on somebody's signature in January, but I doubt it. And lol, thanks for putting words in my mouth whitesoxbrian. Because yeah, me saying the Vikings are better than the Bears means they are the '72 Dolphins. Right. yeah, but......4 weeks ago you had the Bears at 1-3. So there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (T R U @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 02:54 AM) No I am not there, but I have access to people who ARE there and various other sources of information. Like I said, you aren't a fan nor follow them, so I wouldn't expect you to know or understand it. And you have no idea who I follow or what I know, so get off your high horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 14, 2009 Author Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 05:15 AM) And you have no idea who I follow or what I know, so get off your high horse. Your name gives your allegiance away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 13, 2009 -> 11:36 PM) The Vikings have a much better offensive line, running back, and defense than the Bears, while having comparable WR's/TE's and only a moderately worse quarterback. The Bears are better on special teams, but I can't see how anybody can look at the Bears and Vikings without superfan glasses on and come to any conclusion other than the Vikings are going to win the divison. I'm hopeful that I am wrong on this and that this quote will end up on somebody's signature in January, but I doubt it. And lol, thanks for putting words in my mouth whitesoxbrian. Because yeah, me saying the Vikings are better than the Bears means they are the '72 Dolphins. Right. Yeah, and they had all of that last year too, and that got them to barely 10 wins and even then they were inconsistent. Favre is playing too good right now to continue to do so, Peterson has slowed down, and last week their DL feasted off of me and you trying to block Edwards and Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 04:03 AM) You can arguably say that Cutler would be the most talented QB that T.O. would have ever worked with. Garcia, McNabb, Romo, and Edwards were/are not as accurate as Cutler, nor as elusive. McNabb was plenty elusive back in '04. Accuracy wasn't too bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 07:52 AM) McNabb was plenty elusive back in '04. Accuracy wasn't too bad either. Actually I would even go as far to say that up to this point Garcia has been the best QB to work with T.O. T.O. may have been completely ignorant, mean, and just an asshole to Garcia about possibly being gay, but Garcia recognized the talent and forced the ball to T.O. every opportunity he got. T.O. put up insane numbers with Garcia, anyone remember him catching 20 on the Bears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 05:02 AM) Your name gives your allegiance away Right Im not arguing whether or not Im a Bears fan, but I also enjoy Michigan football and was a big Chad Henne fan, wanted the Bears to draft him. On top of that I like the NFL as a whole and catch as many games as possible. So, its not like Im just making a statement without a little backing behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 08:05 AM) Actually I would even go as far to say that up to this point Garcia has been the best QB to work with T.O. T.O. may have been completely ignorant, mean, and just an asshole to Garcia about possibly being gay, but Garcia recognized the talent and forced the ball to T.O. every opportunity he got. T.O. put up insane numbers with Garcia, anyone remember him catching 20 on the Bears? On Jerry Rice Day at Candlestick nonetheless. That was Cade McNown's second to last game as a Bear, the only silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 02:04 AM) Meh,the Vikings so far have had a cream puff schedule,only good team they've beaten is the 49ers and it took a last second miracle,the Pack are a .500 team IMO and the other 3 teams sucked... They are a good team,just don't know really how good and I believe we can compete against them. and the only "good" team the Bears have beaten is the Steelers, and that was without Polamalu. The Steelers offensive line is disastrous and the defense takes one hell of a hit without Polamalu out there. They lost to that .500 Packers team, and beat bad teams in Seattle and Detroit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 The "bad team" argument is pretty irrelevant right now. See that long list of s*** teams I posted earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 02:10 PM) The "bad team" argument is pretty irrelevant right now. See that long list of s*** teams I posted earlier. How bout the Redskins who have yet to face a team that had a win going into the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) How bout the Redskins who have yet to face a team that had a win going into the game. And still won't since they play KC next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chi Town Sox Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 01:04 PM) and the only "good" team the Bears have beaten is the Steelers, and that was without Polamalu. The Steelers offensive line is disastrous and the defense takes one hell of a hit without Polamalu out there. They lost to that .500 Packers team, and beat bad teams in Seattle and Detroit. True but the bears also played without Urlacher (overrated or not still our starting MLB that covers pretty good players downfield) and Roethlisberger by far put up the least yardage and only 1 passing touchdown. That is part of the game of football. Seattle is tough to play at no matter who the QB is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Also, the Seahawks could stroll the local Seattle nursey home out there against a team, and it won't be easy with that crowd noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 14, 2009 -> 01:04 PM) and the only "good" team the Bears have beaten is the Steelers, and that was without Polamalu. The Steelers offensive line is disastrous and the defense takes one hell of a hit without Polamalu out there. They lost to that .500 Packers team, and beat bad teams in Seattle and Detroit. Don't get me wrong,I'm not disputing if the Vikes are a good team or not,I do think they have the best team in the NFC North,I'm just not so sure they are as unbeatable and head and shoulders better than the Bears like a poster here states... I feel the Bears can play with the Vikings and I think the division will come down to either Minny or us,Green Bay's O line is just so awful that Rodgers might not make it to week 17 intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 wite, your plan failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 greatest running back in Bills history, and I'm not forgetting OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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