DukeNukeEm Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) I have calmed down after being angry, and here's some quick thoughts: Pros: Cutler- Played well again, made two mistakes that ended being INT's but if it wasn't for him there would be no 4th and [1 or 6] that far into Falcons territory. Him and Knox hve been the best players on this team all year, that was a great trade. The Receivers- Are a really strong unit, all the doubts about them at the beginning of the year are gone. Bennett, Hester, Olsen, Knox, Clark and Forte have all been playing well in the receiving game. Charles Tillman- Might be having his best season so far, teams dont even bother throwing near him and he's been rock solid as a tackler. Tommie Harris- Is he getting some of his swagger back? Garrett Wolfe- Laid down the meanest block ever. Cons: Interior OL- Just terrible, the Falcons got whatever they wanted up the middle. Forte- Two fumbles in back-to-back plays, judging by his track record though I'm thinking that was a fluke. Everything I didn't mention in Pros- A lot of people played poorly. Lots. We have two good receiving TE's, two good deep threats, two good RB's in the passing game and Jay Cutler. No more "we are a running team", just ditch that whole facade. The passing game has to open up, because running the ball with those interior three guys we have is just wasting downs. Edited October 19, 2009 by DukeNukeEm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 02:08 PM) We have two good receiving TE's, two good deep threats, two good RB's in the passing game and Jay Cutler. No more "we are a running team", just ditch that whole facade. The passing game has to open up, because running the ball with those interior three guys we have is just wasting downs. They already have, the pass-run ratio is like 60/40. They pay lip service to the running game, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) They already have, the pass-run ratio is like 60/40. They pay lip service to the running game, that's about it. The play calling in the passing game should be adjusted then. Right now, we are still play calling a passing game designed to be complimented by a strong running game. May as well start calling the passing game for what it is - most of our offense - and the phase of our offense that will have to cover the other, somewhat like the Cardinals and Saints passing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) The play calling in the passing game should be adjusted then. Right now, we are still play calling a passing game designed to be complimented by a strong running game. May as well start calling the passing game for what it is - most of our offense - and the phase of our offense that will have to cover the other, somewhat like the Cardinals and Saints passing games. I actually don't have any complaints in the pass plays that are being called because it's working. The offense would be dangerous if we actually had a running game, not just with runs to support the pass game but also to allow Cutler to use play action (have we seen that AT ALL this year?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 01:51 PM) I actually don't have any complaints in the pass plays that are being called because it's working. The offense would be dangerous if we actually had a running game, not just with runs to support the pass game but also to allow Cutler to use play action (have we seen that AT ALL this year?). We went play action a lot towards the end of the game last night. I don't know if it actually worked, but Cutler was at least going through the motions and doing it. Do you realize how many third and longs we had yesterday though? And even though Cutler was like 8-11 or something on 3rd downs, we only converted a few of them. That problem is because we can't run the ball, nor do we have enough plays in our playbook designed to get 10 + yards. I really think we have the perfect wideouts and tight ends to run a more aggressive pass offense, it's just a question of being able to do it at this point in the season. Hopefully, our running game will appear suddenly and make this all a moot point, but we certainly have the weapons (especially the qb) to be able to install a more high-octane offense if we need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) We went play action a lot towards the end of the game last night. I don't know if it actually worked, but Cutler was at least going through the motions and doing it. Do you realize how many third and longs we had yesterday though? And even though Cutler was like 8-11 or something on 3rd downs, we only converted a few of them. That problem is because we can't run the ball, nor do we have enough plays in our playbook designed to get 10 + yards. I really think we have the perfect wideouts and tight ends to run a more aggressive pass offense, it's just a question of being able to do it at this point in the season. Hopefully, our running game will appear suddenly and make this all a moot point, but we certainly have the weapons (especially the qb) to be able to install a more high-octane offense if we need to. Yeah, I'm acutely aware of the 3rd and longs, that's part of my burning hatred for Frank Omiyale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I think they need to run Wolfe up the middle on first more often. It's bound to work eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 I forgot about that ridiculous block Wolfe set. That was unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) I forgot about that ridiculous block Wolfe set. That was unreal. No one ever complained about the kid's work ethic. He was beastly on that play. Stood up a dude 100 lbs heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) I think they need to run Wolfe up the middle on first more often. It's bound to work eventually! It's like watching Gary Coleman trying to run through a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Wolfe is a deceptively good blocker. I don't know how, but he gets it done. The problem with having Wolfe on this team is Ron Turner just not knowing what the f*** to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 01:55 PM) Wolfe is a deceptively good blocker. I don't know how, but he gets it done. The problem with having Wolfe on this team is Ron Turner just not knowing what the f*** to do. And that is pretty unacceptable, considering how many other templates there are around the league every single week, for the past several years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) And that is pretty unacceptable, considering how many other templates there are around the league every single week, for the past several years now. It's really not rocket science. Small, quick running back -> run outside + sweep + short passes in open space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Watch the Bears o-line on sweeps if you are looking for further proof that they are really bad. They get out there but other than taking up space, serve no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) It's really not rocket science. Small, quick running back -> run outside + sweep + short passes in open space. Which is even more pathetic, considering they drafted him for this very niche in the offense. As for the O-Line, it seems we have always been brutal on sweeps. And that has been made even more glaring when we see how well the Packers have done it over the last several decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Ron Turner is a bad offensive coordinator. Im pretty sure many 14 year olds with a few games of Madden experience could call a better game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 11:33 AM) Agreed 100%. Pace and Chris Williams have been fine IMO. Ahhhh... No. Williams played Ole' Blocking with Atlanta's LDE in the 4th quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Wolfe will end up being a very good player for a different team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) Wolfe will end up being a very good player for a different team. Perhaps the Chicago Wolves? Oy vey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 As long it's for an AFC team I'll be happy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 02:18 PM) Ron Turner is a bad offensive coordinator. Im pretty sure many 14 year olds with a few games of Madden experience could call a better game. I think he's called some decent games, it's just that the inability of the running game to produce anything has caught him off guard from what we did well last year. Hopefully he will continue to make adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 11:21 AM) I loved Derrick Johnson when he was coming out in the draft. How has he done for KC? I'd be all for it, but we have like zero picks left. Can he play MLB or is he going to play at the weakside position? He hasn't produced the way Kansas City hoped he would but the organization itself has done a poor job for the past few years. Some call Johnson a bust but that seems a little excessive considering the defensive line has been terrible since he arrived (besides Jared Allen.) I think a change in scenery would do him good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 04:08 PM) He hasn't produced the way Kansas City hoped he would but the organization itself has done a poor job for the past few years. Some call Johnson a bust but that seems a little excessive considering the defensive line has been terrible since he arrived (besides Jared Allen.) I think a change in scenery would do him good. Would the Chiefs consider an Iglesias for Johnson trade? Iglesias was our 3rd round pick this year and is a WR from OU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 06:21 PM) Would the Chiefs consider an Iglesias for Johnson trade? Iglesias was our 3rd round pick this year and is a WR from OU. Last I knew they were mostly looking for an offensive lineman. I'm sure they'd go for a draft pick too. An Iglesias/Johnson deal could be a win for both sides though. If I was in charge, I'd take Iglesias, it'd give Cassel another option to go with Bowe, Wade, and Bradley. Haley eventually wants to get the Chiefs to be like the Cardinals offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 19, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) It's really not rocket science. Small, quick running back -> run outside + sweep + short passes in open space. Turner could be a lazy ass OC and just lift a few plays from the Chargers/Sproles playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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