HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) Damn dude. Settle down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 11:10 AM) I'll tell you what the problem is, and it's not Lovie. It's the actual players. The Bears have a garbage OL. Harris really isn't that bad as a DL, though he's not the same as before though. Tillman shouldn't be your best CB. The only guys worth keeping as starters on defense are Briggs and Alfalava. The rest are pretty trash. It's Lovie's fault that this is one of the dumber teams in the league (stupid penalty after stupid penalty), it's gotta be partly Lovie and Turner's fault for the play calling, and it's definitely Lovie's fault for not being able to adjust to ANYTHING that happens on the field. The last three games the Bears have looked entirely unprepared in nearly every facet of the game. That's a coaching problem. But yes, the team itself also sucks. I dunno why they (Angelo especially) gave up our only decent pick this year to pick up yet another underperforming and over valued defensive player. In order of sucky this teams needs: 3 more OL, 2-3 more DL (Brown is the only one i'd keep), 2-3 CB's, at least one new safety, and at least 2 WR's. Unless they decide to spend a massive amount of money (not likely), this team is going to suck for at least the next 2-3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) It's Lovie's fault that this is one of the dumber teams in the league (stupid penalty after stupid penalty), it's gotta be partly Lovie and Turner's fault for the play calling, and it's definitely Lovie's fault for not being able to adjust to ANYTHING that happens on the field. The last three games the Bears have looked entirely unprepared in nearly every facet of the game. That's a coaching problem. But yes, the team itself also sucks. I dunno why they (Angelo especially) gave up our only decent pick this year to pick up yet another underperforming and over valued defensive player. In order of sucky this teams needs: 3 more OL, 2-3 more DL (Brown is the only one i'd keep), 2-3 CB's, at least one new safety, and at least 2 WR's. Unless they decide to spend a massive amount of money (not likely), this team is going to suck for at least the next 2-3 years. The team won't suck, but it won't be what every Bears fan expects. Honestly, Tillman needs to be moved to S or 2nd or 3rd CB off the team. Vasher should be off the team. Bowman is a decent 3rd CB. The Bears need to start thinking about a new MLB & OLB. Their OLine is godawful. And the Bears had a decent offensive coordinator, but fans wanted him fired when Grossman got injured for a more traditional offensive coordinator who never really has shown greatness for at least the span of 3 games. Their offense falls on Turner, not Lovie. He doesn't get to make the change on that side of the ball, only suggestions. Fans are too fickle when proven schemes don't work. It's not the player, it's got to be the coach. SMH. Glad I'm a Cowboys fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 is there a way to contact the higher ups to let our voice be heard? Yea, stop caring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 11:19 AM) Sadly, we all know the answer. The answer would be, "Who is this and where's my nurse?" Virginia McCaskey doesn't e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) I blamed Ron Turner but in all actuality the offense while not rolling is kind of like the White Sox bullpen in that the defense does them no favors. I thought the line did fine yesterday and the play calling was better. The problem was that you know Ron Turner was watching the defense and knowing that he had to score almost every possession. The reason Lovie needs to go is that the defensive scheme does not work with this personnel and this is his personnel. There is a ton of money invested in the defensive side of the ball and they need to earn their money. While Shannahan should get he job, I get he feeling that the job will go to Leslie Frazier. Isn't he the Bengals DC? Edited November 9, 2009 by Jenks Heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 I posted this over at TalkBears.com, but I thought I would post it here as well to get your thoughts: Let's say the Bears wanted to bring in a coach like Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan and he wants $6-7 million a year (I'm not sure of the going rate for a top coach these days). He signs a 5 year deal worth $35 million. Years 1 and 2 earn him $1.5 million per year while the Bears continue to pay out the Lovie deal, while years 3-5 earn him $10.67 million per. Yes, crazy numbers on the back end, but still averages out to $7 million a year over 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 10:19 AM) I am avoiding Sports talk for the next 3 days. It's for my own good. Oh man, Boers and Bernstein are hilarious after Bears losses, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Oh man, Boers and Bernstein are hilarious after Bears losses, though! Ok, i should have specified that. I am avoiding all sports talk radio with the exception of BandB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) I posted this over at TalkBears.com, but I thought I would post it here as well to get your thoughts: Let's say the Bears wanted to bring in a coach like Bill Cowher, Mike Holmgren, and Mike Shanahan and he wants $6-7 million a year (I'm not sure of the going rate for a top coach these days). He signs a 5 year deal worth $35 million. Years 1 and 2 earn him $1.5 million per year while the Bears continue to pay out the Lovie deal, while years 3-5 earn him $10.67 million per. Yes, crazy numbers on the back end, but still averages out to $7 million a year over 5 years. And if those guys flop - it's very, very possible - then what are you going to be doing in year 4 or 5? Shanahan got fired from Denver because he could no longer build a defense and Holmgren left the Seahawks in pretty terrible shape (and sort of did the same thing in Green Bay). The only one who wasn't fired was Cowher. Going all out on big time head coaches is not always the smartest thing to do. Getting a guy who can get the right guys in place and get the right talent on the field is much more important. Lerner in Cleveland trying to lure Holmgren into the front office to take over as VP of Football Operations, much as the Dolphins did with Parcells, might just be the smartest thing a team can do. Get the right philosophy from the VP and the GM down to the kicker and waterboy, and then success can happen, and sometimes over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) While Shannahan should get he job, I get he feeling that the job will go to Leslie Frazier. Isn't he the Bengals DC? Please, no '85 Bears. I dont want the meatballs coming out of the woodwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) I blamed Ron Turner but in all actuality the offense while not rolling is kind of like the White Sox bullpen in that the defense does them no favors. I thought the line did fine yesterday and the play calling was better. The problem was that you know Ron Turner was watching the defense and knowing that he had to score almost every possession. The reason Lovie needs to go is that the defensive scheme does not work with this personnel and this is his personnel. There is a ton of money invested in the defensive side of the ball and they need to earn their money. While Shannahan should get he job, I get he feeling that the job will go to Leslie Frazier. Isn't he the Bengals DC? Vikings DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) Please, no '85 Bears. I dont want the meatballs coming out of the woodwork. No Jeff Fisher if he were to be fired? Which I'm almost certain won't happen. I didn't realize he wasn't a player on the 85 Bears, but rather a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 03:52 PM) No Jeff Fisher if he were to be fired? Which I'm almost certain won't happen. I didn't realize he wasn't a player on the 85 Bears, but rather a coach. Fisher would be my one exception because of his track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Just my .02. Forget the Tampa 2 or whatever it's morphed into. Forget the playcalling. Forget the dumb penalties. Forget that the d-line has disappeared from the first couple of weeks of the season. What really gets my goat is how unprepared this team looks. A well-prepared team adjusts on the fly, not during time-outs, not during half-time, not in mop-up time. A well-prepared team doesn't get to this point, doesn't get beaten by 35 points only to look like crap again the following week. A well-prepared team doesn't get run over by a team that can't run. And that's why it's time for Lovie to go. He is being out-coached before the game even starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 03:59 PM) Fisher would be my one exception because of his track record. Jeff Fisher has six 10-win seasons in 16 years of coaching. He's had one good playoff run. He's won a division 4 times. His average season is 9-7. He doesn't really have a very good track record considering he's coached in the league for 16 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) Jeff Fisher has six 10-win seasons in 16 years of coaching. He's had one good playoff run. He's won a division 4 times. His average season is 9-7. He doesn't really have a very good track record considering he's coached in the league for 16 years. True, but besides Belichick, who's been better for as long? I can only think of Andy Reid off the top of my head. Edited November 9, 2009 by CanOfCorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 02:34 PM) Please, no '85 Bears. I dont want the meatballs coming out of the woodwork. He'll come cheap that is all I am saying. I would rather get a proven guy in here as HC and DC. Look at what a good DC has done in N.O. and Denver. As for Fisher is not going anywhere as he wins with the budget he is given and develops a respectable but unspectacular team annually until this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) True, but besides Belichick, who's been better for as long? I can only think of Andy Reid off the top of my head. Who would still be around that long? Jeff Fisher has never really done anything to deserve a 16-year stint as an NFL head coach other than having a killer mustache. Besides that, Tom Coughlin has been around 14 years and has virtually the same resume. And Tony Dungy was/is an incredible head coach. Jon Gruden is also pretty damn good too. Edited November 9, 2009 by witesoxfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 04:20 PM) True, but besides Belichick, who's been better for as long? I can only think of Andy Reid off the top of my head. Charlie Weis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Redskins fans travel to Atlanta to hold up Anti-Snyder/Cerrato signs That is some serious dedication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Tirico called Kyle Orton a "journeyman QB". Um, the Broncos are his 2nd team. I'd like him to call Favre that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 The Bears main issue right now is their D-Line IMO. Their defense and cover 2 scheme is based all around getting pressure on the QB from a 4 man rush. They don't blitz their linebackers very often. Back when they had major success, guys like Anderson and Brown were getting around 7-10 sacks a season. Look at the New York Giants over the past 4 games, and tell me they don't miss Steve Spagnuolo for instance. And now they've fallen right out. I think it goes both ways in terms of coaching and the player itself. And that's why they made the trade for Gaines Adams. They get more pressure on the QB, their secondary will look a lot better than it has so far. Kurt Warner had all day to throw the football yesterday and that's not good enough. For those who are saying, we shouldn't have traded a 2nd rounder for Adams also, how many quality offensive lineman can you draft from the 2nd round onwards and plug straight into the offensive line also? Chris Williams was a 1st rounder, and he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at RT also. As for potential coaches, besides the big candidates, Jason Garrett will probably get another look as a head coach with the Cowboys resurgance, John Fox and Jack Del Rio could be out of jobs come the off-season also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Watching this MNF game has absolutely removed the tiny 0.1% doubt in my mind about the cutler orton deal....Orton absolutely can't do ANYTHING under pressure....he'd get murdered with this Oline we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) As for potential coaches, besides the big candidates, Jason Garrett will probably get another look as a head coach with the Cowboys resurgance, John Fox and Jack Del Rio could be out of jobs come the off-season also. Doesn't Jerry have him tabbed as the coach in waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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