Official 2009-2010 NFL Thread

[Jenksismyhero]

I don't care what people say, that s*** he does is f***ing hilarious.

 

I couldn't disagree more. I think everything he does is annoying.

[Brian]

I don't care what people say, that s*** he does is f***ing hilarious.

 

I'm with you.

 

God forbid someone has fun playing football.

[DrunkBomber]

I'm with you.

 

God forbid someone has fun playing football.

I think the majority of the stuff he does in funny but the dollar bill thing was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen an athlete do. Whats worse is the fact that an assistant coach actually gave him the dollar. When 85 asked for it what could he possibly have thought it was for?

[Sonik22]

I love Ochocinco

[iamshack]

I have to agree with a lot of what is being said regarding no one blaming Cutler here. It's a defense-mechanism for all the excitement and praise we have been throwing upon him since the trade was made. We want to feel justified in our excitement and in saying that in fact we do, finally, have a franchise quarterback.

 

Being out in Vegas, while the Bears are a "public" team, many people have seen them primarily in the National games that have been broadcasted on Sunday Night Football and now on Thursday night. And as Fathom pointed out, those are easily Cutler's worse 4 games of the season. The problem is, we have only played 9 games now, and he has already played poorly in 4 of them.

 

I sat in a bar with mostly Niners fans and to hear them talk about how badly Cutler sucks is the same frustration to me as you guys hearing the idiots calling in on sports radio. He clearly doesn't suck. And honestly, as much as you want to dissect the INT's that were his fault, and those that were not, there is a very real cumulative effect going on here, as some have mentioned. The guy realizes the situation he is in, probably even secretly despises Ron Turner, and feels like he has to make every throw there is. This is also something he has been dealing with for several years now because he hasn't had a defense worth a s*** for most of his time in the NFL.

 

Unfortunately, he does need to keep his chin up and settle down. I thought he did a good job of that in the Browns game, however, he came out of that game feeling as sore as he has ever felt (his own words). The guy shouldn't have to eat the ball all the time, because honestly, he'd be dead if he did that. Half the issue with trying to make every throw is to make something happen, the other half is to save his own life.

 

Personally, I find it difficult to blame the guy, even though some of the problems do fall upon his decision making. As some have said, he is far down the list of problems, but at the same time, he shouldn't be immune to criticism.

 

I just hope there is something that can be done, and quickly, otherwise finally having ourselves a good qb will all be for nothing...

[Jenksismyhero]

I have to agree with a lot of what is being said regarding no one blaming Cutler here. It's a defense-mechanism for all the excitement and praise we have been throwing upon him since the trade was made. We want to feel justified in our excitement and in saying that in fact we do, finally, have a franchise quarterback.

 

Being out in Vegas, while the Bears are a "public" team, many people have seen them primarily in the National games that have been broadcasted on Sunday Night Football and now on Thursday night. And as Fathom pointed out, those are easily Cutler's worse 4 games of the season. The problem is, we have only played 9 games now, and he has already played poorly in 4 of them.

 

I sat in a bar with mostly Niners fans and to hear them talk about how badly Cutler sucks is the same frustration to me as you guys hearing the idiots calling in on sports radio. He clearly doesn't suck. And honestly, as much as you want to dissect the INT's that were his fault, and those that were not, there is a very real cumulative effect going on here, as some have mentioned. The guy realizes the situation he is in, probably even secretly despises Ron Turner, and feels like he has to make every throw there is. This is also something he has been dealing with for several years now because he hasn't had a defense worth a s*** for most of his time in the NFL.

 

Unfortunately, he does need to keep his chin up and settle down. I thought he did a good job of that in the Browns game, however, he came out of that game feeling as sore as he has ever felt (his own words). The guy shouldn't have to eat the ball all the time, because honestly, he'd be dead if he did that. Half the issue with trying to make every throw is to make something happen, the other half is to save his own life.

 

Personally, I find it difficult to blame the guy, even though some of the problems do fall upon his decision making. As some have said, he is far down the list of problems, but at the same time, he shouldn't be immune to criticism.

 

I just hope there is something that can be done, and quickly, otherwise finally having ourselves a good qb will all be for nothing...

 

 

This "excuse" would make sense if Cutler didn't have a history of throwing horrible INT's. But the fact of the matter is he does, even when he had arguably 2 pro-bowl WR's, a good O-line and a decent running game. The only thing he didn't have in Denver was a decent defense.

 

He's sucked the majority of this year. End of story. It's inexcusable. And he's going to get a pass because everyone is going to blame Lovie and Ron Turner first (which is fine, they all need to go). I don't think there's any doubt that he's a better QB than Orton, at least physically, but mentally how can anyone say he's different than Sexy Rexy thus far? The hope is Cutler (and Rex in the past) would become Favre-esque - the gun slinger who is always going to try to force it and make some bad decisions, but who at the end of the day is above average and will win you games that you otherwise wouldn't be able to win with a game-managing QB.

 

I think the jury is still out on that. But if the Bears have any brains, they'd find the best QB coach money can buy and bring him in to coach this guy up. Otherwise we just locked ourselves into 4 more years of a more physically talented Grossman.

[Rowand44]

I don't care what people say, that s*** he does is f***ing hilarious.

^^^

[Rowand44]

but the dollar bill thing was one of the dumbest things I have ever seen an athlete do.

Why exactly?

[dasox24]

I don't care what people say, that s*** he does is f***ing hilarious.

Agreed. I think he's awesome. It's all in good fun. I feel like being friends with Chad Johnson would be a blast.

[Chisoxfn]

Wow, that was a terrible throw by Cutler. He really needs to start getting a lot more criticism. I wonder when the media will start with the Good Cutler/Bad Cutler like they started with Rex.

Are you f***ing kidding me...that throw was on Hester not coming back to the ball. Cutler made two stupid passes (both picks in the end zone) and lets be honest, the last one he had to force the ball cause time was gone. In theory he should have thrown it away and we get one more play, but his last pick wasn't really the end of the world.

 

The one in the end zone in the 1st half, now that was bad, but what the f*** do you expect when we do the same sequence every time we are in the red zone. No one was fooled and you could tell Cutler was like, f*** it, I want 6. It was stupid and all Jay's fault but I'm really sick at how Cutler has to do everything on his own.

 

I'm glad Jay apologized to the defense though. What a s*** show of a game. I don't give a f*** if it costs 12 million more for the Bears to find another coach, do it.

[Chisoxfn]

Defensive player had every right to that play, IMO. Of course, throwing downfield to K. Davis probably isn't a recipe for success.

Not at all, you are not allowed to take out the TE. He knocked our Te out of the way.

[Chisoxfn]

Don't get me wrong guys, I like Cutler a hell of a lot more than I did Orton. However, he needs to get his composure back right now. He's having a dreadful game and has now missed a few easy passes to go along with his picks.

Dreadful game, come on. Yes the stats looked bad but he made a ton of great throws tonight. We didn't win and he deserves blame but geeze, what the hell do you think happens when you get 50 rushing yards a game (and like 2 yards per carry) and no time to throw the ball.

 

Not to mention our Wr's aren't that good. I realize there stats are solid, but that is because of Jay.

[Chisoxfn]

Well, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on the first and last pick. He was playing solid football in first half, but he's missed some easy passes in 2nd half and he got extremely lucky the 49ers didn't have a pick 6 on the last play of the Bears last drive.

That was because Hester didn't go to the ball. Watch the replay, that was a catch if Hester did things right.

[Chisoxfn]

This is a perfect post, thanks FoN!

Look at Jay's history, he is not a turnover prone QB. He's a gunslinger that turns it over, but prior to the last 12 or so weeks, he really didn't turn the ball over a whole ton. The problem is, when your are asked to throw 50 times and teams can seat back and wait and still get to the QB you are going to end up throwing a lot more picks (its the nature of the biz).

 

Give him even decent offensive talent and he might just win an MVP. Thats how f***ing good Cutler is.

[fathom]

Are you f***ing kidding me...that throw was on Hester not coming back to the ball. Cutler made two stupid passes (both picks in the end zone) and lets be honest, the last one he had to force the ball cause time was gone. In theory he should have thrown it away and we get one more play, but his last pick wasn't really the end of the world.

 

No idea what play I was referring to, but I don't think it had to do with a throw to Hester.

[fathom]

Look at Jay's history, he is not a turnover prone QB. He's a gunslinger that turns it over, but prior to the last 12 or so weeks, he really didn't turn the ball over a whole ton. The problem is, when your are asked to throw 50 times and teams can seat back and wait and still get to the QB you are going to end up throwing a lot more picks (its the nature of the biz).

 

Give him even decent offensive talent and he might just win an MVP. Thats how f***ing good Cutler is.

 

Wasn't he among the league leaders last year in interceptions? Like I said yesterday, I like Cutler a lot (especially compared to Orton), but he's not living up to the hype, plain and simple.

[Chisoxfn]

No idea what play I was referring to, but I don't think it had to do with a throw to Hester.

Nah, I later realized you were talking about the throw to Kellen Davis, which was an obvious PI. The pick 6 you were referring to was a throw where Hester just waited for the ball instead of going after it and because of it a Niner was able to almost jump the route and take it for six.

 

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Look at Jay's history, he is not a turnover prone QB. He's a gunslinger that turns it over, but prior to the last 12 or so weeks, he really didn't turn the ball over a whole ton. The problem is, when your are asked to throw 50 times and teams can seat back and wait and still get to the QB you are going to end up throwing a lot more picks (its the nature of the biz).

 

Give him even decent offensive talent and he might just win an MVP. Thats how f***ing good Cutler is.

 

Are you kidding?

 

2006 - 5 games, 5 ints

 

2007 - 16 games, 14 int

 

2008 - 16 games, 18 int

 

2009 - 9 games, 17 int

 

 

I'd consider more than an int per game average a "turnover prone" QB.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

Wasn't he among the league leaders last year in interceptions? Like I said yesterday, I like Cutler a lot (especially compared to Orton), but he's not living up to the hype, plain and simple.

I've been more impressed with Jay than I ever expected to be (and I loved him in Denver). Bottom line he's had such s*** to work with and still put the team on the back as much as possible.

 

I think anyone that can't see that is honestly blind to an extent and doesn't really realize how dependent a QB is on a lot of things (WR's who know how to run routes, who know that it is there responsibility to make the right read for the route to run depending on the way the defense is playing, etc). Our Wr's just flat out don't do it and because of it they get open so much less and it makes Jay have to be perfect on every throw.

 

Factor in the worse rushing game in football (we are so much worse than any other team...Forte had a few big runs this season and outside of that he's literally been running at like 2 YPC) with the worse oline in football and WOW is all I have to say.

 

What the hell could anyone expect? I don't think people realize just how bad this team is.

[fathom]

Nah, I later realized you were talking about the throw to Kellen Davis, which was an obvious PI. The pick 6 you were referring to was a throw where Hester just waited for the ball instead of going after it and because of it a Niner was able to almost jump the route and take it for six.

 

No, the pick 6 I was referring to was when Cutler tried to force a throw instead of throwing it out of bounds. His hand got hit as he threw it, and the ball floated in the air and ended up falling incomplete.

[Chisoxfn]

Are you kidding?

 

2006 - 5 games, 5 ints

 

2007 - 16 games, 14 int

 

2008 - 16 games, 18 int

 

2009 - 9 games, 17 int

 

 

I'd consider more than an int per game average a "turnover prone" QB.

Not when you throw for the TD's he does. I put everything in perspective and his TD to Turnover ratio ain't bad historically.

[Chisoxfn]

No, the pick 6 I was referring to was when Cutler tried to force a throw instead of throwing it out of bounds. His hand got hit as he threw it, and the ball floated in the air and ended up falling incomplete.

Ya, that was a bad one. I remember that vividly. It was the play after Hester damn near F'd up. Devin had a really really bad game. He's made massive strides as a WR, but tonight was just an awful performance.

[Chisoxfn]

By the way, I really want to see more of Ashmandou or however it is spelled. I liked him a lot in the preseason.

[Brian]

By the way, I really want to see more of Ashmandou or however it is spelled. I liked him a lot in the preseason.

 

Aromashodu

 

LoL. And I'm LoLing because the first thing that came to my head was that SNL fake commercial where the parents don't know the celebs real name.

[Jenksismyhero]

Not when you throw for the TD's he does. I put everything in perspective and his TD to Turnover ratio ain't bad historically.

 

9, 20, 25, 14. The number of TD's he's thrown. 68 TD's to 54 Int's. I'd hardly call that ratio "good."

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/lead...perc_career.htm

 

(if you have trouble finding him, he's #68)

 

And what's this nonsense about him having to "force" it? They were down, at most, 4 pts all of last night. It's not like he had to get a TD every time he got the f'n ball.