Official 2009-2010 NFL Thread

[Chisoxfn]

If they're stating their announcing their changes tomorrow, that means Lovie is back, else it would've been leaked already. Turner is going to be the fall guy as well as Pep Hamilton. Wouldn't surprise me if they bring in Zorn as a QB coach, and Martz, not because he's Lovie's friend, but he would be able to fully utilize the Bears' offense strengths which is speed. Also, I could see Rod Marinelli becoming the new defensive coordinator tomorrow or someone other than Lovie, but who still runs the cover 2.

Well done. I think they will try to go high profile and hire Jeremy Bates as the QB coach. Bates is an up and coming young mind and would be a tremendous hire and could be a long-term target as a future head coach.

[Chisoxfn]

Perry Fewell (Buffalo's interim coach who just got canned) would be a good target if the Bears went after a new D-Co.

 

And they should target Jeremy Bates as an O-Co, or at least that's who Jay Cutler wants.

Fewell is a good candidate, but it sounds like they are thinking about promoting Marinelli. While many will complain, Marinelli is a very very good coach.

[Balta1701]

Pep Hamilton better be gone.

Per other reports, the Bears will be keeping their RB and WR coaches and scrapping their O-Line, TE, and QB coach.

[Chisoxfn]

This was exactly what I was going to post and I would be content with this.

 

It also makes the most sense fiscally and with the fact that there may not be football in 2011 teams are heding their moves.

 

It won't happen and here is why.

 

Lovie is very smug and knows everything. Martz can take his job if the O excels and the D fails. If there is no football in 2011, Martz will be paid anyway so you fire Lovie and install Martz. The new D coordinator must keep the cover 2. The fact that this failed so badly under Lovie and he was unable to do both jobs speaks volumes about his ability to be a head coach. There are plenty of guys that can do it but thay all have the oversized cards to read (I know these are the offensive guys) and Lovie looks at the scoreboard.

 

If Bill Cowher does not have a job, I think he gets the call after Lovie fails next year.

Chicago is the only other job, non southeast that Cowher will take. I think you might see the Bears go hard for him if all goes wrong next year. Since the Bears aren't spending money on coaching I hope the organization plans to spend on an olineman, a back-up RB, a safety, and potentially a dtackle.

[Chisoxfn]

I was really hopping that with a new D-Coordinator moving in that management would force Lovie to get out of his comfort zone and bring in someone who wasnt a "Yes man". And what did they do? Promote a Lovie "Yes man" friend.

But unlike Babich, Marinelli is also one of Angelo's boys. That is what people forget.

[Chisoxfn]

Per other reports, the Bears will be keeping their RB and WR coaches and scrapping their O-Line, TE, and QB coach.

Which makes sense. TE coach failed to develop Davis/Olsen. WR coach did his job. Oline coach, uggh. And Pep didn't fit well with Jay Bears need to bring in a high profile QB coach and a high profile OC.

 

My first choice would be Weiss. Yes, I would take Weiss over Martz.

[Chisoxfn]

Haugh is reporting that the Bears talked about promoting Marinelli to DC, but have decided not to and will be hiring outside of the organization for the DC.

 

Perry come on down!!!

[HuskyCaucasian]

Haugh is reporting that the Bears talked about promoting Marinelli to DC, but have decided not to and will be hiring outside of the organization for the DC.

:headbang

[Harry Chappas]

But unlike Babich, Marinelli is also one of Angelo's boys. That is what people forget.

 

The Chicago Bears are all a good ole boy network especially on the defensive side of the ball and we all have Warrren Sapp and the Greatest Show on Turf for the reason why the Tampa 2 is still around and Lovie has a job except we do not get Monte Kiffin and Dungy though.

 

Next year is the last ditch effort by this organization from Ted on down to keep their jobs. The Bears organization is not going to spend the money for 2010 if they feel 2011 will not have football. The owners can not even begin to negotiate with the NFLPA until they resovle what it is they want and this is not going well.

 

My feeling is that this organization is done with these guys and that is what Hub Arkush was reporting a few weeks back. The best thing that happened was the last two weeks gave hopes and calmed people down........they now can make some minor moves for 2010 and hope for the best knowing if they fall apart and there is no football in 2011 they pay Lovie for doign nothign anyway and start fresh in 2012 or eat the chunck ofthe money for 2011 if there is football.

 

 

[chw42]

Of course, the Bears use the last two games as an excuse for not firing everybody.

 

Good thing Marinelli won't be the coordinator. We've already seen what he does when he's in charge and it ain't pretty. He's a better hands-on coach, I think.

[fathom]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 2010-2011 is going to be an uncapped NFL season. Thus, if we had to pay 20 million to fire Lovie/hire Cowher, then how in the world were we going to expect the Bears to sign any free agents this offseason? I'm content with today's decisions....I'm happy Luke Butkus got fired, cause he's a real prick.

[Harry Chappas]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 2010-2011 is going to be an uncapped NFL season. Thus, if we had to pay 20 million to fire Lovie/hire Cowher, then how in the world were we going to expect the Bears to sign any free agents this offseason? I'm content with today's decisions....I'm happy Luke Butkus got fired, cause he's a real prick.

 

It is uncapped but the years of service goes up to like 6 years for a a UFA or something really weird. There will not be as much movement as you would think because of this other than Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder spending out of their ass.

 

This is also where the uncertain money given to a 1st or 2nd rounder could be used if needed by the Bears.

[lostfan]

You know, in the 3 or so years since the Ron Turner firing has been overdue, I thought I'd be happy as s*** when I finally read the headline. I'm kind of meh about it.

[Chisoxfn]

Of course, the Bears use the last two games as an excuse for not firing everybody.

 

Good thing Marinelli won't be the coordinator. We've already seen what he does when he's in charge and it ain't pretty. He's a better hands-on coach, I think.

Marinelli got the most out of his guys in Detroit. They played hard every game and that is almost impossible to do when your team was as bad as they were.

 

He didn't get a fair shake and could very well have been an exceptional coach in the right circumstances.

[Chisoxfn]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but 2010-2011 is going to be an uncapped NFL season. Thus, if we had to pay 20 million to fire Lovie/hire Cowher, then how in the world were we going to expect the Bears to sign any free agents this offseason? I'm content with today's decisions....I'm happy Luke Butkus got fired, cause he's a real prick.

It is uncapped, but people are actually expecting teams to spend less and not more because there is no floor.

[klaus kinski]

It is uncapped, but people are actually expecting teams to spend less and not more because there is no floor.

 

 

Count on the Bears to spend less

[SoxAce]

Which makes sense. TE coach failed to develop Davis/Olsen. WR coach did his job. Oline coach, uggh. And Pep didn't fit well with Jay Bears need to bring in a high profile QB coach and a high profile OC.

 

My first choice would be Weiss. Yes, I would take Weiss over Martz.

 

I would do as most would. Weis is more of what Lovie wants and more of a guy who will pass and run the football. Martz hates running the football and is more of a gun slinger coordinator (same type of QB Cutler is) so Weis probably makes the most sense followed by a Martz and Bates. Then again.. there are other candidates out there that we don't know yet.

[Balta1701]

Count on the Bears to spend less

That would make perfect sense...if the Bears were already close to the salary floor. I don't believe they are.

[Chisoxfn]

I would be exstatic if the Bears hired Fewell, Martz, and Bates. Exstatic. I love Marinelli and Toub as I feel they are the two best at there position and I do believe Lovie is fine as a head coach.

 

He is much better than most in the league and while I have said it is time for Lovie to go and would have been 1000% on getting rid of him, I do believe keeping him while making the necessary changes could work out in the Bears favor.

 

This new attitude will be good for the team and I believe hiring Martz/Bates combo would be phenomenal for the offense. Martz would stay for a year or two and than leave for another job with Bates moving up and keeping the staff fresh.

 

The key, imo, to a good staff is to have a stable HC and to consistently be developing your coaches so that they can move on, while still having young fresh minds to step in and replace them (much like you want to do with your player development).

 

[DBAHO]

Perry Fewell (Buffalo's interim coach who just got canned) would be a good target if the Bears went after a new D-Co.

 

And they should target Jeremy Bates as an O-Co, or at least that's who Jay Cutler wants.

Bingo;

 

NFL.com's Jason LaCanfora reports recently fired Bills interim head coach Perry Fewell is "very likely" to be named defensive coordinator for the Bears.

 

It's a great fit. Fewell is one of the few coaches still running a Cover 2, so he'll mesh well with Lovie Smith. Having Fewell's expertise in the secondary to go with Rod Marinelli on the defensive line would give Chicago one of the best teaching staffs in the league.

[DBAHO]

The only problem I see with a Martz hiring BTW is that you need a very good offensive line to implement his system of minimum protection and 4 WR's running their routes, and right now I don't think the Bears have that type of personnel in their system.

[nitetrain8601]

Can someone give me some input on Perry and what makes him so great? I don't know much about the guy.

 

Also, as long as you have speed, you'll fit in with Martz as a WR. Look at guys like Yo Murphy, Az Zahir Hakim, etc for evidence. I think Martz is the perfect fit, especially for Matt Forte as a receiver out of the backfield. No matter what, the Bears need an Oline though.

[DBAHO]

Can someone give me some input on Perry and what makes him so great? I don't know much about the guy.

 

Also, as long as you have speed, you'll fit in with Martz as a WR. Look at guys like Yo Murphy, Az Zahir Hakim, etc for evidence. I think Martz is the perfect fit, especially for Matt Forte as a receiver out of the backfield. No matter what, the Bears need an Oline though.

The Bills had the #2 pass defense in the league I think or something similar, and guys like Jairus Byrd at FS really had terrific seasons.

 

Maybe he could actually make something out of Daniel Manning.

[Kyyle23]

im worried if Martz comes in its going to be another percieved attempt at a power play by Martz. In both Detroit and San Fran there was a lot of talk that he was doing behind the scenes angling for the HC job and that led to his dismissal because he wasnt concentrating on his own job

[nitetrain8601]

im worried if Martz comes in its going to be another percieved attempt at a power play by Martz. In both Detroit and San Fran there was a lot of talk that he was doing behind the scenes angling for the HC job and that led to his dismissal because he wasnt concentrating on his own job

 

I don't see that in Chicago for a couple of reasons. He knows if the Bears don't perform, Lovie is gone, so there wouldn't be much angling to do anyway. Also, Lovie is his buddy. I don't think he would screw over Lovie for that fact alone.